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    What's the reason for SD-only for PCs?

    I watch movies in 720 or 1080 on my PC, which is plugged in via DisplayPort to my TV's HDMI port. It works perfectly, BUT.... many times I've found a great movie on Vudu and it says it's only available in SD for a PC, even though it's there in HD and HDX. I'm just curious, what's the reason for this?
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    Re: What's the reason for SD-only for PCs?

    Originally posted by Ruark View Post
    I watch movies in 720 or 1080 on my PC, which is plugged in via DisplayPort to my TV's HDMI port. It works perfectly, BUT.... many times I've found a great movie on Vudu and it says it's only available in SD for a PC, even though it's there in HD and HDX. I'm just curious, what's the reason for this?
    Someone from Vudu feel free to chime in, but I think the studios decide what quality level can be played on PC.

    Yes, it doesn't make sense to me either.

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      Re: What's the reason for SD-only for PCs?

      EDIT: I tried to answer a question in my head, not the one you actually asked.

      Yeah, I assume it's the studio's call to restrict that. Some are hypersensitive to the possibility of piracy.

      I don't mind watching SD on my PC. I just wish I didn't have to do the dance of starting the HDX version, getting the error and then starting the SD version every single time. Cookie me or something. Make it an option, please.

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        Re: What's the reason for SD-only for PCs?

        Originally posted by BlakkMajik3000 View Post
        Someone from Vudu feel free to chime in, but I think the studios decide what quality level can be played on PC.

        Yes, it doesn't make sense to me either.
        I believe it should work if HDCP is detected. When I try to play in HDX on my PC, I get an error message that says that the content can only be played if both the output and display support HDCP and then the option to play in SD instead.

        Maybe the problem has to do with using Displayport rather than HDMI or DVI-D.

        Someone from Vudu will hopefully shed some light.

        EDIT: Never mind, it looks like it does depend on the content. I had never noticed that some content supports HD and HDX on PC while others don't. How very annoying. I usually watch on my Roku, so it never affected me.

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          Re: What's the reason for SD-only for PCs?

          Originally posted by Ruark View Post
          I watch movies in 720 or 1080 on my PC, which is plugged in via DisplayPort to my TV's HDMI port. It works perfectly, BUT.... many times I've found a great movie on Vudu and it says it's only available in SD for a PC, even though it's there in HD and HDX. I'm just curious, what's the reason for this?
          Pretty much same reason a lot of TV stuff (Hulu+ for example) is ONLY available on computer / web and not on Roku. Or same material is HD on Roku and SD on computer.

          It's all about the contracts. There is no compete clauses in some cases. it's all about driving customers to use certain devices.

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            Re: What's the reason for SD-only for PCs?

            Originally posted by Ruark View Post
            I watch movies in 720 or 1080 on my PC, which is plugged in via DisplayPort to my TV's HDMI port. It works perfectly, BUT.... many times I've found a great movie on Vudu and it says it's only available in SD for a PC, even though it's there in HD and HDX. I'm just curious, what's the reason for this?
            This will often work on a Windows PC (still depends on the monitor/video card/etc correctly reporting that they support HDCP) but external displays don't work on Macs AFAIK. The problem is Apple doesn't provide a way to get HDCP capability to apps for external displays, so the Adobe(Flash) Access DRM has to assume it's not enabled.

            The HDCP requirement is only for HD/HDX, so SD will still work.

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              Re: What's the reason for SD-only for PCs?

              Originally posted by jjohns View Post
              I believe it should work if HDCP is detected. When I try to play in HDX on my PC, I get an error message that says that the content can only be played if both the output and display support HDCP and then the option to play in SD instead.

              Maybe the problem has to do with using Displayport rather than HDMI or DVI-D.

              Someone from Vudu will hopefully shed some light.

              EDIT: Never mind, it looks like it does depend on the content. I had never noticed that some content supports HD and HDX on PC while others don't. How very annoying. I usually watch on my Roku, so it never affected me.
              It's not a PC or HDMI or DP issue, it's a Vudu issue. My PC plays 1080 (HDX) movies just fine, and subsequently just fine when I run that signal from my PC to the TV. I'm talking about the Vudu movie page, where a movie is available for rent or purchase in HDX, HD, and SD, and then there's some fine print saying "This title is viewable on PC in SD only." For example, look at the old Eastwood movie, "A Fistful of Dollars."

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                Re: What's the reason for SD-only for PCs?

                Originally posted by Ruark View Post
                It's not a PC or HDMI or DP issue, it's a Vudu issue. My PC plays 1080 (HDX) movies just fine, and subsequently just fine when I run that signal from my PC to the TV. I'm talking about the Vudu movie page, where a movie is available for rent or purchase in HDX, HD, and SD, and then there's some fine print saying "This title is viewable on PC in SD only." For example, look at the old Eastwood movie, "A Fistful of Dollars."
                Yeah, I realized that after the fact. That's why I put in the edit to my original comment. Sorry for the confusion.

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                  Re: What's the reason for SD-only for PCs?

                  Originally posted by Ruark View Post
                  It's not a PC or HDMI or DP issue, it's a Vudu issue. My PC plays 1080 (HDX) movies just fine, and subsequently just fine when I run that signal from my PC to the TV. I'm talking about the Vudu movie page, where a movie is available for rent or purchase in HDX, HD, and SD, and then there's some fine print saying "This title is viewable on PC in SD only." For example, look at the old Eastwood movie, "A Fistful of Dollars."
                  Yeah, there are still some titles that are not in HD/HDX on the PC for various reasons (sometimes studio, sometimes issues transcoding to a stream that plays in Flash, etc). That said, I'm trying AFoD, you may see it by tomorrow evening...

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                    Re: What's the reason for SD-only for PCs?

                    Originally posted by Jake View Post
                    Yeah, there are still some titles that are not in HD/HDX on the PC for various reasons (sometimes studio, sometimes issues transcoding to a stream that plays in Flash, etc). That said, I'm trying AFoD, you may see it by tomorrow evening...
                    Thanks, Jake, that'd be great!

                    Ruark

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                      Re: What's the reason for SD-only for PCs?

                      Originally posted by Jake View Post
                      ...but external displays don't work on Macs AFAIK. The problem is Apple doesn't provide a way to get HDCP capability to apps for external displays, so the Adobe(Flash) Access DRM has to assume it's not enabled.

                      Jake - I think you are a bit misinformed... Macs are the industry leading tool used in Post Production for Cinema. I am an audio post engineer and I am FULLY aware of the capabilities of running just about any type of codec available in a mainstream environment for DCP content, as well as streaming for HDCP content as I do this on a regular basis. I am talking about Video/Audio codecs that work with no matter what type of display or even hardware specifications. I have a Mac Tower 8-core processor with 64GB! of DDR3 RAM (an enormous amount of that dedicated to cache), a PNY NVIDIA Quadro K5000 (click here for specs) that is HDCP compatible, with 4 Apple LED cinema displays, and I have 25MB/s up and 5MB/s down hardwired internet speeds that are consistently reliable... and you are saying that VUDU does not support compatibility for me to stream high definition content from your website?

                      With all due respect, I think you should probably look into this a bit more. I have to say that I am ignorant when it comes to understanding streaming via a service-based platform and all that goes into it, but I can certainly say that of all the movies that I have transferred over from UltraViolet are more than capable of being downloaded at HDCP quality onto my machine with ease and the ability of running them on my Mac Tower is, quite simply, a laughing matter due to the over-qualified specs of my machine. I mean, I can rip my Blu-Rays in an .mkv file and allow anyone on the internet to stream/download it with the correct supported player with the highest resolution (FULL 1080p with an original pass-thru of HD 5.1 or 7.1 DTS/DOLBY surround audio)...

                      The point I am trying to make is that there is no legitimate claim that my Mac cannot stream this content other than Apple not providing you with the information you need, or VUDU not allowing you to create this feature due to the relationship between the studios, or the fact that you guys just haven't figured it out yet. Even so, if streaming is not an option, there should MOST DEFINITELY not be an issue for me to download the HD/HDX content to my machine, even if you guys think that it will not be compatible... because trust me.... it would be compatible with my machine. But that is not the case because I receive an error message when both attempting to stream HD/HDX content as well as download it.

                      In conclusion, are you telling me that if a consumer goes to the store (Best Buy, Target, etc) and they buy a Blu-Ray that states "Stream this movie with UltraViolet via VUDU in High Definition from anywhere or download it and watch at your convenience", what VUDU is really saying is that, if you own a Mac (or many various types of PCs), you cannot stream OR download HDX (1080p) quality, or even HD (720p), but you are stuck with the lower quality of SD content? Why did I even buy the Blu-Ray? Maybe I should have just downloaded it from iTunes... (being facetious)

                      But seriously though... what gives? Please do explain...

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                        Re: What's the reason for SD-only for PCs?

                        It's not a streaming or codec issue. This is an issue between Apple's OS/drivers and Adobe Access DRM - external displays are not supported by Adobe access when HDCP is required by the DRM rules. Adobe has said that Apple does not provide an API to check HDCP status of external displays.

                        PCs generally work with an external HDCP-compliant monitor because this API is available on Windows. And laptops with either OS do allow HD/HDX on their builtin displays because there is no external connection required.

                        There are a several other threads going into more detail about this on these forums already if you want more background.

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