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    Outbound (uplink) traffic shaping

    No, not a post to do with Comcast or Cox sandvineing P2P traffic; this is a customer alteration.

    I don't want to open Pandora's box here, but what's stopping users from limiting their outbound P2P traffic from their VuDu box? Unless I am mistaken, the VuDu distribution model depends heavily on other users uploading portions of movies via P2P to other VuDu customers. So what's to stop me writing a rule saying "limit all outbound traffic from this port to xx Kbps"?

    That being said, I don't think that's fair at all to other VuDu users. What I, personally, am going to do is prioritize my traffic so that my online games or other traffic does not get interrupted. Because most of the US watches movies around the same time, my VuDu box will have full access to my bandwidth because I'll be watching a movie, not playing a game; so the router lets the VuDu throw up as much P2P traffic as it wants while I'm watching my movie.

    -T

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    Restricted upload speeds will impact your Vudu experience. I've found that if you use QOS rules to throttle back your Vudu too much, it will prevent instant viewing of movies when ordered. This is not unlike the way more common Bit Torrent services function.

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      Re: Outbound (uplink) traffic shaping

      What type of QOS rules are you running on your router? What firmware? I have been running the VUDU with QOS and it hasn't effected my VUDU experience as long as the rules are properly configured....I have helped a lot of VUDU folks configure rules if you need assistance.

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        Re: Outbound (uplink) traffic shaping

        The Vudu takes a fairly limited amount of your bandwidth. At most, it's about 300 kbps and generally around 150 to 200 kbps. Vudu also has a "Nice 2 Network" mode that cuts everything in half - upload and download. So your upload speed becomes about 100 kbps but download ends up being about 1200 kbps so you can't instantly stream.

        You may be able to successfully throttle the upstream using some sort of throttling mechanism, but the box does not appear to like it very well. It's better to use QoS traffic rules. I have mine set to a standard priority and other traffic like my Slingbox and VoIP and Skype set to highest priority. It seems to play very well this way...

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          Re: Outbound (uplink) traffic shaping

          I know I'm going to have to do something to restrict how much bandwidth the Vudu box is taking for P2P traffic.

          I'm seeing a fairly constant background transfer rate of around 60 kb/sec. That's going to add up to about 140 GB a month, roughly. My provider considers about 50 GB a month to be a reasonable limit for a residential user. They're pretty cool about the occasional overage, but they'd be justified in considering being 2x-3x over on a regular basis to be a problem.

          This is not related to actual movie streaming, i.e. my use of my Vudu box. It's purely Vudu's P2P 'background' traffic. I haven't yet rented a movie.

          I do have a fairly fat pipe (~10 Mbps symmetric), is it possible that the Vudu protocols are scaling themselves up proportionately?

          -- Paul

          p.s. my firewall is a linux box.

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            Re: Outbound (uplink) traffic shaping

            60 Kbps is about right for uplink traffic.

            Let's see here 60 kbps is about 7.5 kBytes/sec = 450 KB/min = 27 MB/hour = 648 MB/day = 19.44 GB /month.

            So I don't understand how you arrived at the 140 GB per month number? I think you got bytes and bits mixed up. In fact, I'm positive that's what you did.

            Who is your provider?

            I know I'm right on this because I typically max out my 1 Mb/sec upload pipe for the entire month and that's only a little over 300 Gigs...

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              Re: Outbound (uplink) traffic shaping

              Hi PaulC,

              Your box is probably "catching up" with the latest catalog of movies, software, etc... This happens when someone buys a box that has been in a warehouse/shelf for a while, so there is a period of time when it will be transferring faster while it's catching up.
              In steady state, however, the typical background use is much lower than that.

              Hope this helps.

              Cheers,

              -- Greg

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                Re: Outbound (uplink) traffic shaping

                Originally posted by NA9D View Post
                60 Kbps is about right for uplink traffic.

                Let's see here 60 kbps is about 7.5 kBytes/sec = 450 KB/min = 27 MB/hour = 648 MB/day = 19.44 GB /month.

                So I don't understand how you arrived at the 140 GB per month number? I think you got bytes and bits mixed up. In fact, I'm positive that's what you did.

                Who is your provider?

                I know I'm right on this because I typically max out my 1 Mb/sec upload pipe for the entire month and that's only a little over 300 Gigs...
                I think Paul is looking at the downstream traffic, and he is expressing it in KiloBytes/sec (i.e. 60 KBytes/s ~ 600 Kbits/s).

                -- Greg

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                  Re: Outbound (uplink) traffic shaping

                  Originally posted by PaulC View Post
                  I

                  I do have a fairly fat pipe (~10 Mbps symmetric), is it possible that the Vudu protocols are scaling themselves up proportionately?
                  Paul,

                  I took a look at who your ISP is and I see that EtherIC is a wireless internet provider. You may have an issue using the Vudu period and it has nothing to do with your ISPs limits.

                  Wireless ISPs typically have a guaranteed rate and a burst rate. The burst rate is likely what they are saying is the 10 Mb/10 Mb rate. The burst happens for a particular length of time and then the guaranteed rate kicks in. The guaranteed rate is much, much lower and not fast enough for Vudu streaming.

                  I'm looking at the plans here: http://www.etheric.net/residential.html

                  Do you have the Diamond plan? If so, the guaranteed rate is 5 Mbps which is sufficient. I'd double check on this to be sure though..

                  Jon

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                    Re: Outbound (uplink) traffic shaping

                    Originally posted by Greg View Post
                    I think Paul is looking at the downstream traffic, and he is expressing it in KiloBytes/sec (i.e. 60 KBytes/s ~ 600 Kbits/s).

                    -- Greg
                    Ah, that would be about right for catch-up..

                    And Paul, this is not a constant download...

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                      Re: Outbound (uplink) traffic shaping

                      Yes, sorry, my bad - kilobytes/sec, not kilobits/sec.

                      Thanks Greg, that's good to know it's not a long-term situation. I did only just get a unit (didn't make the cut for the beta test, unfortunately). It's been constant and creaping up over several days from 25 KB/sec to 60 KB/sec currently, so I was assuming it would be long-term (and that the trend may continue upwards).

                      Etheric Networks doesn't enforce a dynamic 'cap' on the transfer rates - i.e. you can 'burst' as much as you want, for as long as you want, within reason. The 'committed rate' is what they guarantee to be available at all times, i.e. it's the contractual minimum for the purposes of the service level agreement.

                      I have Etheric's 'Gold T1' plan, so my committed rate is 1.5 Mbps, and my traffic is prioritized over the lower plans. The table on the 'residential' page hasn't been updated in years. The '6Mbps burst' was for first generation equipment that tapped out at 8 Mbps. The third generation equipment is much faster and more reliable (about 3x faster). In practice, I've never seen it below 8 Mbps unless there's been a problem or maintenance underway. Historically, it's been more like 12 Mbps on average. More recently, I've been seeing 15-18 Mbps quite often - in both directions (all numbers measured regularly using DSLReports). One of the things I love about Etheric is that the service is constantly improving.

                      The VUDU speed test 'pegs the meter' in both directions - I just did the test again, and got ~11Mbps down, ~12Mbps up. I don't think I'll have a bandwidth problem the only extra wrinkle is the non-zero packet loss. It's usually a fraction of a percent, but it's not zero.

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                        Re: Outbound (uplink) traffic shaping

                        Paul,

                        Good to know and yeah, when the box isn't streaming or doing database updates, the downlink traffic is pretty minimal. Uplink trends around 100 to 200 kbps and as high as 300 kbps depending on requirements. But it never stays at 300 kbps for more than a few minutes - it's not at all constant.

                        Good news about your service as well. I've stayed away from wireless providers because of the burst rates vs. the long term rates. Perhaps your ISP is using equipment from Motorola/Netxnet which would give you those sorts of rates (it's a pseudo WiMax implementation).

                        Anyhow, one thing to be aware of in speed tests is that they test very short terms speeds. It fools a lot of us who have Comcast. Comcast has a burst mode as well and I test out at 25 Mbs but my speeds after the first 15 to 20 MB are max'd at 8 Mb/sec.

                        Jon

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                          Re: Outbound (uplink) traffic shaping

                          Originally posted by Greg View Post
                          Hi PaulC,

                          Your box is probably "catching up" with the latest catalog of movies, software, etc... This happens when someone buys a box that has been in a warehouse/shelf for a while, so there is a period of time when it will be transferring faster while it's catching up.
                          In steady state, however, the typical background use is much lower than that.
                          I thought my boxes had achieved a steady state. The blinking LEDs on my network switches, router and modem had slowed down dramatically. Then, with what looks like the "outage" last Sunday night, the heavy traffic resumed by Monday night. Since then, they have been moving data like crazy. What would explain that? Was it something that happened because the Vudu server went down? Do periodic updates increase the traffic for some number of days?

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                            Re: Outbound (uplink) traffic shaping

                            Originally posted by redwein View Post
                            What would explain that? Was it something that happened because the Vudu server went down? Do periodic updates increase the traffic for some number of days?
                            If we told you, we'd have to shoot you...

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                              Re: Outbound (uplink) traffic shaping

                              Originally posted by redwein View Post
                              What would explain that? Was it something that happened because the Vudu server went down? Do periodic updates increase the traffic for some number of days?
                              You'll like the answer when we can share it with you. Right now our lips are sealed.

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