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  • aaronwt
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    Hmm. I just tried the component dongle on my 360 that I rented Transformers HD last night. It does allow 1080i output over component for playback. I can't test 1080P output since that set only accepts 1080P over HDMI and the TV I have that accepts 1080P over component is in another room.

    But that does show that the Xbox 360 allows 1080i output over component for the Transformers HD rental. If the Xbox 360 is allowed to do it I would think other providers should be allowed to do it. But you never know. I guess it's whatever is in the agreement they signed with the studios.

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  • aaronwt
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    Originally posted by Rusdude View Post
    I have my 360 hooked up over component (original version sans HDMI) and I can view HD trailers. I never bothered renting anything in HD, but I am pretty sure people would've raised hell if Microsoft forced HDMI requirement as Xbox 360 just got HDMI port recently.
    Hd trailers are not HD rentals. I know for HD DVD playback you need VGA output or HDMI output for 1080P resolution of HD DVD titles. I would have to check for other content over component.

    I'll need to try and find my 360 component cables since my four 360s only use VGA or HDMI for output.

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  • Rusdude
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    I have my 360 hooked up over component (original version sans HDMI) and I can view HD trailers. I never bothered renting anything in HD, but I am pretty sure people would've raised hell if Microsoft forced HDMI requirement as Xbox 360 just got HDMI port recently.

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  • aaronwt
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    Does Xbox Live allow the movie HD content over component at HD resolutions? If they don't then I would think that Apple will not be able to either.
    I got rid of all my component connections in 2005. Everything I use now is HDMI or DVI. It certainly makes things much easier but I'm still using over 30 HDMI cables plus several DVI to HDMI cables.

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  • NA9D
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    Originally posted by RobertHodge View Post
    I always thought it was legal to record for you're personal use. But it sounds like we are getting to the point where we'll be eventually be prohibited from doing that. Rat Bastards!!
    If you are the studios, there is no legal reason for anyone to record anything. That is their position. They are completely against the fair use doctrine and have been since time immemorial.

    Keep in mind that these are the same people who said the VCR would kill the movie industry. It was so much in dispute that the matter went to the Supreme Court and VCRs stayed legal by ONE, yes ONE vote! Think about the ramifications for today's world if a single Justice would have voted the other way! The movie industry would be dead. There'd be no Blockbuster, no rental industry, no Netflix and no Vudu. This is the mentality we are dealing with here. Their whole mindset is about content protection and not about content distribution. It takes them years and years to realize that this new technology can actually help their business and make more revenue for them. In some cases such as the DAT this was realized too late for the technology.

    Until the lawyers and suits in Hollywood change their business model to something consumer friendly, we are all screwed. So the choice then is who can provide the best content in the way that is the least intrusive on my rights to my content.

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  • HeadHodge
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    Originally posted by RobertHodge View Post
    Rat Bastards!!
    Sorry, no disrespect to the brain!

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  • Nded
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    I don't like it, but we may have no choice, as HDMI is all about protecting content and preventing the end user from having control.

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  • HeadHodge
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    Originally posted by Nded View Post
    A funny thought just occured to me.

    1) Apple TV hasn't been able to deliver on their HD promise.

    2) Apple TV SD content is all at 480 resolution ( http://www.apple.com/appletv/specs.html )

    3) On the same spec page ATV announces HD content in 720 resolution - possibly on component connection (this has not been delivered/verified)

    4) Vudu does not have anything above 480 resolution on the component output due to content owners requiring HDMI connection for higher resolution.

    Hypothesis - Could it be that the reason ATV hasn't been able to deliver 2.0 software and HD content is because the studios are saying NO to their component connection?

    I can't see why they'd let Apple get by with it, and not allow Vudu to do it.
    We'll I think that is very interesting.

    Just for fun, I spent a few days trying to find a way to record video from either my component out or hdmi out on my Directv receiver.

    Mostly I could only find recording devices for composite and s-video outs. Could only find an expensive couple of devices that support component and nata for hdmi.

    The component ones had lots of disclaimers for recording commercial content and often quoted the MPAA.

    I found the component stuff guised as Mpeq studio encoders (not recorders).

    I find your statement interesting in the comment about about what the component quality is. I always thought of component the same quality as hdmi except the loss obtained via analog transfer. But now I'm curious about the reality of that assumption.

    This is beginning to smell like a conspiracy to me. I always thought it was legal to record for you're personal use. But it sounds like we are getting to the point where we'll be eventually be prohibited from doing that. Rat Bastards!!

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  • Nded
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    A funny thought just occured to me.

    1) Apple TV hasn't been able to deliver on their HD promise.

    2) Apple TV SD content is all at 480 resolution ( http://www.apple.com/appletv/specs.html )

    3) On the same spec page ATV announces HD content in 720 resolution - possibly on component connection (this has not been delivered/verified)

    4) Vudu does not have anything above 480 resolution on the component output due to content owners requiring HDMI connection for higher resolution.

    Hypothesis - Could it be that the reason ATV hasn't been able to deliver 2.0 software and HD content is because the studios are saying NO to their component connection?

    I can't see why they'd let Apple get by with it, and not allow Vudu to do it.

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  • NA9D
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    Try being an Alpha/Beta tester with all those name/URL changes!

    I kinda liked Marquee but it was too boring I guess. I was mixed to negative on the name Vudu when it was first picked, but I've come around. It certainly works when verbified!

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  • skeeterfood
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    Thanks

    I think that's the most times I've ever seen a company change names before actually releasing a product. In this case though, I think they were all worthwhile improvements.

    Vudu has a nice ring to it and it has the currently hip quality of sounding good when verbified as in "I just Vudued a great new movie last night!" just like Google, Tivo, etc.

    I don't think Vvond or Marquee when verbified to Vvonded or Marqueeed (3 e's or 2?) would have worked nearly as well.

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  • NA9D
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    Originally posted by skeeterfood View Post
    I noticed the patent was issued to Marquee, Inc. and with a bit of searching I came up with this:

    From BuisnessWeek Investing
    Yup. Smart guy you are.

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  • skeeterfood
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    I noticed the patent was issued to Marquee, Inc. and with a bit of searching I came up with this:

    From BuisnessWeek Investing
    VUDU, Inc. was formerly known as Marquee, Inc. Prior to that Marquee, Inc. was known as Vvond.

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  • skeeterfood
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    Originally posted by aaronwt View Post
    How does Apple Tv achieve what the VUDU box does?
    This listing of I guess VUDUs main patent is quite long but talks about the prcoess for the video downloading.

    http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-P...ranz&RS=miranz
    The PDF version of the patent available on this Google patents page has some really pretty diagrams explaining how the whole system works.

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  • NA9D
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    Originally posted by RonV View Post
    Isn't there 3rd party software for the Photobridges? I remember reading something like that on either the Wired blogs or Engadget.
    Oh yeah, it runs a variant of Linux and has had a number of third party software. If it wasn't for the third party software it would be about as useless as the AppleTV! There's a media player called MPlay which can play your DVD ISO or VideoTS files, there's a Squeezebox emulator called SlimRoku, there's flickr photo viewers, VNC clients, etc. If Roku would only release the core firmware to the public, even more cool stuff could be done as there are some bugs still in the firmware and it wasn't fully developed to its full capabilities...

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