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  • bqmeister
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    Re: Very interesting.....

    A sample of posts:

    Re: Apple TV take 2: 100 hd titles today

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    Originally Posted by bqmeister
    So will vudu lower new release HD prices by a buck?

    $5.99 for an HD rental is gonna hurt vudu.
    --------------------------------------------------

    Oh gimme a break. Buy one less coffee at Starbuck's for Pete's sake!
    __________________
    Du U VuDU? I Do!

    - The Original Vudu-Boy!


    I still would have to take your review with a grain of salt.

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  • NA9D
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    Re: Very interesting.....

    Originally posted by bqmeister View Post
    All due respect, but I don't think Jon is best qualified to give his review of the side by side comparisons. His loyalties are readily apparent.

    The appletv really doesn't have composite or s-video outs? That is interesting. Does apple have a workaround or do they suggest this is only for TVs with component or better inputs?
    Who are you to judge my loyalties. I have every interest in seeing Apple succeed. I own 640 shares of Apple stock. My cost for those shares was about $5.00. You do the math to see how much I have made on it and how much I want AppleTV to be a killer product.

    I own about 4 or 5 Macs. I have about 6 iPods.

    DO NOT QUESTION MY JUDGEMENT!

    I'm loyal to Vudu as well and love the product. Given that I have fierce loyalties to the products from both companies, I'm a far better choice than some dodo head wanna be reporter from a hack place like Engadget or Gizmodo or some wanna be blogger who works at JC Penny.

    If Vudu sucks at something I have no problem saying it and I think my record is clear on that.

    I will give a side by side and unbiased report for sure.

    Also, 30 seconds is "instant"??? WOW! What planet do you live on...

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  • redwein
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    Re: Apple TV take 2: 100 hd titles today

    Originally posted by bqmeister View Post
    WinWinWin
    No way, I expect instant viewing with HD and Vudu has told me how to get it. I would assume that Apple will give it to me and if it didn't, I would junk the box in favor of Vudu. It would not be a win at all if they can't give me clear direction about the network requirements for HD instant viewing.

    You can't use the argument that, because they didn't specifically promise it here, then not giving it is good and if Vudu doesn't specifically promise something and doesn't give it, they have misleading marketing.

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  • bqmeister
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    Re: Apple TV take 2: 100 hd titles today

    Originally posted by redwein View Post
    Wouldn't it be better to KNOW? People have complained about being misled because they weren't specifically told something didn't work like they expected it to. Sounds like a marketing fiasco for Apple.
    Touche.




    But not really. Apple says if you have broadband, SD will be available in about 30 seconds and HD will be available later.

    It seems like worst case - SD will be available instantly and HD may be available instantly as well. Here apple promises something very low and delivers a MUCH better experience than advertised to some users. Everyone gets what's advertised. Some may get better based on their internet speeds.

    WinWinWin

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  • redwein
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    Re: Apple TV take 2: 100 hd titles today

    Originally posted by bqmeister View Post
    With apple, you still buy the product. Same end-user experience, except apple gets your money and vudu doesn't.
    Apple doesn't advertise streaming as heavily as vudu but that doesn't mean it won't be supported for high speed customers.
    Wouldn't it be better to KNOW? People have complained about being misled because they weren't specifically told something didn't work like they expected it to. Sounds like a marketing fiasco for Apple.

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  • bqmeister
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    Re: Apple TV take 2: 100 hd titles today

    I think apple is crazy for not putting composite/s-video. I just looked at the specs.

    That alone is enough to keep me from buying one (today). My family room TV is a 60" rear projector with composite & s-video only. I've got a projector, but I'd want to be able to use any device in both rooms.
    No immediate plans to replace my TV so until I do, Vudu wins for me.

    :down: to apple for this mistake.

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  • Nded
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    Re: Very interesting.....

    Originally posted by bqmeister View Post
    All due respect, but I don't think Jon is best qualified to give his review of the side by side comparisons. His loyalties are readily apparent.
    Sure beats somebody with a hidden agenda like the folks in the media who are so in love with Apple that in their eyes Apple can do no wrong. Then again, if you cut Jon, he does bleed Apple blood (long time PC/Apple sparring has passed between us over the years), so he's at least got mixed feelings on the matter. Of course I would hope that anybody else who owns both will please be forthcoming with benchmarks and comparisons. I'll be especially interested in learning if they have found a few tricks to squeeze decent looking SD video using dractically reduced bandwidth.

    The appletv really doesn't have composite or s-video outs? That is interesting. Does apple have a workaround or do they suggest this is only for TVs with component or better inputs?
    Did you look at the specifications link http://www.apple.com/appletv/specs.html I posted? They clearly state in footnote #7 that AppleTV "Requires HDMI with HDCP or component video." No ifs, ands, or buts on that, and the pictures are worth a 1000 words. I remember hearing people gripe about no support for their 4:3 TV's when the thing first came out, but I never looked at the details till today.

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  • bqmeister
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    Re: Very interesting.....

    Originally posted by Nded View Post
    Interesting footnote on http://www.apple.com/appletv/



    The website also indicates that all SD titles are in stereo (see tech specs link below). Could somebody please point me to the Apple Corp. supported discussion forum where customers and non-customers get to whale on Apple over and over again about how this is the end of the world?

    When you go a little deeper to http://www.apple.com/appletv/rentals.html you learn that they are very careful to exclude HD instant viewing.



    It's not yet clear how many seconds are required for SD viewing to begin. You can bet NA9D will let us know as soon as his AppleTV gets the 2.0 update. All Vudu owners will be receiving the instant HD update later this month (4MB internet connection of course). It will be interesting to see what weight the independent critics put on truly instant gratification.

    Now when you jump on over to the Technical Specs at http://www.apple.com/appletv/specs.html you learn that 720P is as good as it gets. No 1080i output, and don't even think about the truly superior "true to film" 1080p 24fps output. It also looks like SD content (rated at 640x480) is compressed to require 1.5M (or less) internet service. It will be interesting to hear what Jon sees when he watches the same SD title side-by-side on the two platforms.

    The one thing I never noticed before was that the Apple TV does not have composite or s-video outputs. That leaves out a fairly significant install base, and don't tell me otherwise, or we wouldn't be seeing our wonderful federal government offering coupons on digital STB's to save the free world.

    All things considered, I still think this is good news, as we get to see more pressure on the studios to support the new media.
    All due respect, but I don't think Jon is best qualified to give his review of the side by side comparisons. His loyalties are readily apparent.

    The appletv really doesn't have composite or s-video outs? That is interesting. Does apple have a workaround or do they suggest this is only for TVs with component or better inputs?

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  • Nded
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    Very interesting.....

    Interesting footnote on http://www.apple.com/appletv/

    1. Dolby Digital 5.1 surround sound is not available with all HD rentals.
    The website also indicates that all SD titles are in stereo (see tech specs link below). Could somebody please point me to the Apple Corp. supported discussion forum where customers and non-customers get to whale on Apple over and over again about how this is the end of the world?

    When you go a little deeper to http://www.apple.com/appletv/rentals.html you learn that they are very careful to exclude HD instant viewing.

    Your movie starts downloading instantly, and, if you choose a standard-definition movie, you can start watching it in seconds.
    It's not yet clear how many seconds are required for SD viewing to begin. You can bet NA9D will let us know as soon as his AppleTV gets the 2.0 update. All Vudu owners will be receiving the instant HD update later this month (4MB internet connection of course). It will be interesting to see what weight the independent critics put on truly instant gratification.

    Now when you jump on over to the Technical Specs at http://www.apple.com/appletv/specs.html you learn that 720P is as good as it gets. No 1080i output, and don't even think about the truly superior "true to film" 1080p 24fps output. It also looks like SD content (rated at 640x480) is compressed to require 1.5M (or less) internet service. It will be interesting to hear what Jon sees when he watches the same SD title side-by-side on the two platforms.

    The one thing I never noticed before was that the Apple TV does not have composite or s-video outputs. That leaves out a fairly significant install base, and don't tell me otherwise, or we wouldn't be seeing our wonderful federal government offering coupons on digital STB's to save the free world.

    All things considered, I still think this is good news, as we get to see more pressure on the studios to support the new media.

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  • bqmeister
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    Re: Apple TV take 2: 100 hd titles today

    The apple HD movies are available on any itunes capable device, right?
    When the HD movies come out, I'll try to find the same title on both vudu and itunes. I'll rent the vudu on the vudu and the itunes one on my HTPC and do a fair comparison.

    Granted, my projector is 720p, so I doubt I'll see much difference. More important will be artifacts I think.

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  • bqmeister
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    Re: Apple TV take 2: 100 hd titles today

    Originally posted by NA9D View Post
    Something else I just learned about AppleTV's HD content:

    ONLY 720p.

    Vudu is 1080p/24.

    Vudu wins here...

    And AppleTV HD isn't instant and the 30 seconds I mentioned earlier may only be for SD content.

    Vudu wins here too.
    I have so little desire to go 1080p. But you're right, that is a vudu win.
    Will that mean apple's file sizes will be significantly smaller?

    Vudu requires 4mb connection to stream HD, right? Apple probably is dumbing it down - saying SD will be near instant with a broadband connection (which includes slow DSL). Some customers will probably get instant HD with apple, but apple won't guarantee for all broadband customers because they don't know the speed of every connection.

    Even vudu can't do instant streaming to a dsl-lite customer, right?

    I don't know if that's a vudu win, or simply the way the companies choose to market their products. If you look at vudu's website, you may decide not to purchase if you have DSL lite. With apple, you still buy the product. Same end-user experience, except apple gets your money and vudu doesn't.
    Apple doesn't advertise streaming as heavily as vudu but that doesn't mean it won't be supported for high speed customers.

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  • bqmeister
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    Re: Apple TV take 2: 100 hd titles today

    Originally posted by NA9D View Post
    I've argued for a $199 price point since before the Vudu launched (too bad you can't see that, bqmesiter, on the beta forums) and I've argued for portability of content.

    Maybe Apple's doing this will shake loose the same capability with Vudu.

    And who knows what Vudu 2.0 will bring...
    I hope you're right about shaking things loose at vudu.

    I'll say this - most of what you've hinted at has come true (Can't wait for the HD). My biggest concern is will vudu 2.0 be here soon enough?

    I honestly would not be suprised if apple saw a nice little spike in the appleTV sales starting today. (I'm not buying one yet, but I am interested)
    Vudu has a nice product. I enjoy it, but I don't know if they'll survive longterm. I don't understand why anyone would choose vudu over apple today. Without more customers vudu loses.

    If anyone can think of reasons new customers should choose apple over vudu, I'd be interested to hear them.

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  • NA9D
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    Re: Apple TV take 2: 100 hd titles today

    Something else I just learned about AppleTV's HD content:

    ONLY 720p.

    Vudu is 1080p/24.

    Vudu wins here...

    And AppleTV HD isn't instant and the 30 seconds I mentioned earlier may only be for SD content.

    Vudu wins here too.

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  • NA9D
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    Re: Does vudu really win as far as content is concerned?

    Originally posted by bqmeister View Post
    Is vudu really Content King?

    TV shows 1 day after they air? Itunes music library. Picture library. Flickr libraries. Movies on your PC. etc.

    I'm trying my best not to buy one now!
    Buy one. It's a nice little product - I do like mine. But I think that I like viewing movies on the Vudu better.

    One thing that will be interesting is video quality. How will Apple's HD content look compared to Vudu's....

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  • bqmeister
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    Does vudu really win as far as content is concerned?

    Is vudu really Content King?

    TV shows 1 day after they air? Itunes music library. Picture library. Flickr libraries. Movies on your PC. etc.

    I'm trying my best not to buy one now!

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