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  • NA9D
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    Re: Apple TV take 2: 100 hd titles today

    I've argued for a $199 price point since before the Vudu launched (too bad you can't see that, bqmesiter, on the beta forums) and I've argued for portability of content.

    Maybe Apple's doing this will shake loose the same capability with Vudu.

    And who knows what Vudu 2.0 will bring...

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  • bqmeister
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    Re: Apple TV take 2: 100 hd titles today

    granted, apple screwed up with NBC.
    But Isn't the entire itunes store available with the appletv?

    If we're talking content, doesn't apple have more than 5000 titles in the entire store?

    There are a significant amount of TV Shows available.
    Apple won't lose the content war.

    And I don't want to pay $170 more for a hard drive I don't need, when I have the storage on my server.
    Vudu should offer a $150 vudu with an 80gig drive. The cost should be lower than apple to offset the lack of functionality as compared to appletv.

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  • Guy Gadois
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    My $.02

    Competition in this space is great. I want Vudu to win but at this point I would think that Apple may have the upper hand.

    * I think Apple has more clout then Vudu does to get new content. Vudu is the winner right now but Apple is just starting their product.

    * The cost - I think the Apple comes with a wireless connection built-in. This is nice and I was surprised Vudu didn't have.

    * I LOVE the idea of viewing my photos and playing music and watching YouTube on my TV.

    It is too early to say who the winner is but Vudu is going to have a hard time against such a huge gorilla as Apple.

    Guy

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  • jonathon
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    As the iTunes/Apple TV setup allows portability of content (e.g. can be played on iPhone, ipod and computer) I think that's a great advantage over Vudu. Also, the Apple TV plays video podcasts, photo streams and YouTube. The future use of the Vudu box hangs in the balance now.

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  • redwein
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    Re: Apple TV take 2: 100 hd titles today

    Originally posted by bqmeister View Post
    But Apple is priced significantly lower and the HD rentals are lower. AppleTV also has significantly more bang for the buck (more features built in besides just watching movies).
    Pricing is a variable thing and competition has a tendency to cause companies to lower prices when it heats up. I'll defer to Vudu to price things according to how their business is running and what the competition is doing. There is too much we don't know to tell them what pricing model to use.

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  • NA9D
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    Originally posted by bspooky View Post
    I guess I am a glass is half full not half empty guy. Oh, and my "guess" is not founded on blind hope but:

    - Jobs doesn't usually make marketing mistakes as big as neglecting to mention there will be gaping holes in what movies can be rented.

    - Apple has a track record of getting studios on board with pricing/availability where others have failed (see iTunes store and compare it with what Real, Creative, and all the rest attempted at and failed with before).

    - I don't think Vudu has the contacs or the experience in the movie industry that Jobs has access to by his relationship with Walt Disney

    - Apple has distribution channels that were never open to Vudu, and money, that can open more doors during negotiations.

    I could go on, but I am hungry and I skipped lunch watching the keynote and responding here. Off to vendoland it is!!!
    This made me laugh. You have no concept of who the people in management at Vudu are and the experience with Hollywood they bring. Several of the Sr. management came from places like Tivo.

    And Apple is not so perfect with marketing either. Every hear of the G4 Cube? Or how about the fact that the AppleTV has been a flop for the past year? Or did you ever hear of NBC? Hmm...Try to find NBC shows on iTunes. Apple screwed that one up. And now recording studios are putting out DRM free content. But except for one studio, it isn't on iTunes...

    So Apple's track record is far from perfect.

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  • NA9D
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    You can't compare the prices when the storage space is not the same! If you want to purchase movies, you'll store precious few on the $229 AppleTV!

    Your other comments are valid, but at least compare the $329 model at its closer to what the Vudu offers for storage. People don't just rent.

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  • bqmeister
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    Re: Apple TV take 2: 100 hd titles today

    Originally posted by redwein View Post
    Of course IF Apples solves all of the problems and has a perfect solution, it would, by definition, be perfect and win. My point was that with the evidence available, it looks like Apple is running into exactly the same licensing issues as Vudu, which makes me believe that your "guess" that they will do MUCH better isn't founded in anything other than blind hope. By the way, I hope someone does eventually break through and give us everything we want.

    Here's the thing though.
    Apple and vudu have very similar restrictions.
    Apple and vudu have very similar deals with content providers. Apple may start with a library of 1000 movies but if they're mostly newer releases, Apple will be real close to vudu with a 'good' library. 5000 or 10000 or 1 millions movies doesn't matter if you don't have what consumers want.

    Give a slight nod to vudu on content if you want, even though apple will have more HD.

    But Apple is priced significantly lower and the HD rentals are lower. AppleTV also has significantly more bang for the buck (more features built in besides just watching movies).


    Content is king. But people won't buy it if it's overpriced (vudu is). Apple's price is significantly closer to where it needs to be.

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  • redwein
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    Like I said, blind hope. Your points aren't evidence of anything as far as the licensing deals go. It really depends more on why the studios are being so restrictive than on Jobs' charisma, business acumen, or anything else he might do. The evidence we have today says that the almighty is hitting the same blocks.

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  • bspooky
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    Re: Apple TV take 2: 100 hd titles today

    Originally posted by redwein View Post
    Of course IF Apples solves all of the problems and has a perfect solution, it would, by definition, be perfect and win. My point was that with the evidence available, it looks like Apple is running into exactly the same licensing issues as Vudu, which makes me believe that your "guess" that they will do MUCH better isn't founded in anything other than blind hope. By the way, I hope someone does eventually break through and give us everything we want.
    I guess I am a glass is half full not half empty guy. Oh, and my "guess" is not founded on blind hope but:

    - Jobs doesn't usually make marketing mistakes as big as neglecting to mention there will be gaping holes in what movies can be rented.

    - Apple has a track record of getting studios on board with pricing/availability where others have failed (see iTunes store and compare it with what Real, Creative, and all the rest attempted at and failed with before).

    - I don't think Vudu has the contacs or the experience in the movie industry that Jobs has access to by his relationship with Walt Disney

    - Apple has distribution channels that were never open to Vudu, and money, that can open more doors during negotiations.

    I could go on, but I am hungry and I skipped lunch watching the keynote and responding here. Off to vendoland it is!!!

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  • Dysfnctnl85
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    Originally posted by NA9D View Post
    Agreed, but you still have to scroll through some sort of list. The Vudu remote does it MUCH better...
    Scroll wheel FTW. Even my *parents* can use it!

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  • NA9D
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    Originally posted by Dysfnctnl85 View Post
    Pictures on MacRumorsLive showed a distinctly different interface. I personally think that Vudu's interface is awesome, but Apple is highly regarded for their ability to create usable interfaces.
    Agreed, but you still have to scroll through some sort of list. The Vudu remote does it MUCH better...

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  • NA9D
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    Re: Apple TV take 2: 100 hd titles today

    Originally posted by bspooky View Post
    Content is king.
    And right now Vudu wins.

    If Apple were able to get over the 30 day rental delay they would have done so. Period. No need to speculate beyond that.

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  • Dysfnctnl85
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    Originally posted by bspooky View Post
    NA9D, according to what I read the UI is completely differetn with the software update. Macworld commentators indicated it was "totally different" than the current AppleTV interface.

    I don't know, as I haven't seen the current, and didn't pay attention to the new as I will wait to see if content is better before I consdier it.
    Pictures on MacRumorsLive showed a distinctly different interface. I personally think that Vudu's interface is awesome, but Apple is highly regarded for their ability to create usable interfaces.

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  • redwein
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    Originally posted by bspooky View Post
    It is pointless to argue hypotheticals. I keep saying IF apple was able to. I don't know. You don't know. As to your 30 day, maybe it was a give and take "ok, we will go with waiting 30 days but you have to give us all movies" . . . I would take all rentals over just some sooner than 30 days in a heartbeat.

    But again, my message is IF apple is able to get more content rental that the mainstream wants to watch, they will win. I think they will as they are Apple, but they may not. The have botched many things before....and are actually losing ground on music.

    Content is king.
    Of course IF Apples solves all of the problems and has a perfect solution, it would, by definition, be perfect and win. My point was that with the evidence available, it looks like Apple is running into exactly the same licensing issues as Vudu, which makes me believe that your "guess" that they will do MUCH better isn't founded in anything other than blind hope. By the way, I hope someone does eventually break through and give us everything we want.

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