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Gizmodo's Take on Vudu's HD Quality

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    #76
    Re: Gizmodo's Take on Vudu's HD Quality

    Originally posted by aaronwt View Post
    Now these pictures were not taken in pause mode which is also one of the reasons that everything looks so poorly. When viewing normally and not through a camera the text at the bottom of the radar screen is unreadable in SD. with the VUDU HD version it is clear and crisp while the Xbox 360 HD version is fairly clear but not as crisp.

    The other two pics show the macoblocking in the Xbox Live HD version while there is none in the VUDU HD version.
    This is one of the main reasons I think VUDU is better than broadcast. You see macroblcoking all the time in TV shows and sporting events anytime you have fast pans, fast movement and bright flashes. Which is also one the reasons I bought an HDMI flea for my broadcast sources. It does s good job in masking alot of the minor macroblocking.
    Translation for the common man - Vudu rules - Xbox drools.

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      #77
      Re: Gizmodo's Take on Vudu's HD Quality

      I've exchanged e-mails with Wilson from Gizmodo and I have asked him to further investigate his video settings.

      He is using HDMI into a 1080p TV. However, he did not say if the TV was 1080p/24 compliant. He did say this which makes me scratch my head:

      Of course I used HDMI. And I told your colleague that I was using a
      1080p set, but I will look into this issue which you bring up--which
      in truth sounds fishy. The capture method was a DSLR camera on a
      tripod in the same position and light for all three shots, though as I
      stated clearly in my original piece, the way Vudu pauses may have
      something to do with the stills. The viewing comparison I described
      was the most crucial element.
      What is fishy? I explained to him once more that Vudu does not support 1080p/60 and that it is possible that the Vudu therefore set the default resolution to 480p and that he needs to check this and set the resolution to 1080i if he does not have a 1080p/24 set.

      His wife is due to have a baby any day and he doesn't want to come on here and discuss things. He says he plans on doing a more in depth review once the AppleTV HD is out and he'll compare all the formats.

      If he needs to do a more in depth review, then the question in my mind is if he is actually questioning his results and methods...

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        #78
        Re: Gizmodo's Take on Vudu's HD Quality

        The 1.2 software will fall back to 1080i if the TV's preferred format is 1080p/60.

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          #79
          Re: Gizmodo's Take on Vudu's HD Quality

          Originally posted by VolkerS View Post
          The 1.2 software will fall back to 1080i if the TV's preferred format is 1080p/60.
          Isn't there the possibility that it might not be able to properly detect and fall back to 480p or what that fixed?

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            #80
            Re: Gizmodo's Take on Vudu's HD Quality

            Originally posted by NA9D View Post
            Isn't there the possibility that it might not be able to properly detect and fall back to 480p or what that fixed?

            I know when going through my Algolith HDMI flea it thinks 480P is preferred, even though it accepts a 1080P24 input. But I'm sur ethat is something with the Flea. If I connect it to my TV, receiver or VP50 pro it gives me all the resolution choices to 1080P but with the Flea my highest choice is 1080i.

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              #81
              Re: Gizmodo's Take on Vudu's HD Quality

              Originally posted by NA9D View Post
              Isn't there the possibility that it might not be able to properly detect and fall back to 480p or what that fixed?
              yes, there is a fix in 1.2 : if we detect1080p/60 as HDMI preferred we will always choose 1080i as TV preferred mode

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                #82
                Re: Gizmodo's Take on Vudu's HD Quality

                Speaking of broadcast quality here is a good table of what DirectTV does with HD feeds for their service:

                http://www.digitalcaffeine.com/directv/hd/

                Too bad that DirectTV finds themselves bandwidth constrained and constantly changes bitrates based on programming demands.

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                  #83
                  Re: Gizmodo's Take on Vudu's HD Quality

                  Just want to say thanks to aaron for taking the time to post the pics.

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                    #84
                    Re: Gizmodo's Take on Vudu's HD Quality

                    Originally posted by RonV View Post
                    Speaking of broadcast quality here is a good table of what DirectTV does with HD feeds for their service:

                    http://www.digitalcaffeine.com/directv/hd/

                    Too bad that DirectTV finds themselves bandwidth constrained and constantly changes bitrates based on programming demands.
                    DTV's HD is referred to as HD-Lite. But they are launching a new satellite soon so maybe that will help.

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                      #85
                      Re: Gizmodo's Take on Vudu's HD Quality

                      Originally posted by Rusdude View Post
                      DTV's HD is referred to as HD-Lite. But they are launching a new satellite soon so maybe that will help.
                      It's still not going to be as good as BR or HD-DVD. You simply don't have the bandwidth per channel over any sort of RF link be it broadcast or satellite...Well, with satellite, the probably could get the bandwidth but then they'd need to back down on the number of channels offered.

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                        #86
                        Re: Gizmodo's Take on Vudu's HD Quality

                        Originally posted by Rusdude View Post
                        DTV's HD is referred to as HD-Lite. But they are launching a new satellite soon so maybe that will help.
                        Oh I know...I've been living with it for a while. But I can live with it until they have the bandwidth to get 1920x1080...

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                          #87
                          Re: Gizmodo's Take on Vudu's HD Quality

                          Originally posted by Rusdude View Post
                          DTV's HD is referred to as HD-Lite. But they are launching a new satellite soon so maybe that will help.
                          The term HD-Lite drives the Directv fanactics nuts-oid. (I'm not one)

                          They launched their new D10 Sat. last Aug and added 70 new HD channels with it. It's sister D11 has shipped from Boeing to the Sea Launch platform for a March launch.

                          Since I don't see that there are many more HD channels available in the market to add, it will be interesting to see what they do with the extra bandwidth.

                          Their VOD offerings are all sent to my Dvr via the internet. They currently have only 3 HD movies available via VOD. It would be interesting to know what quality they stream their Vod content in. I watched one of the movies awhile ago and I recall the quality to be pretty good. It took 2.5 hours to download it over my 4mb cable modem, but I was able to start watching the movie without interruption about 15 min. after the download started. I was happy with the nominal wait. It takes me that long to get snacks and make a drink.

                          Their VOD is advertised as "DOD Beta" , so not sure what other plans they have for Vod.

                          BTW Thanks RonV for the channel map. Haven't seen that one before.

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                            #88
                            Re: Gizmodo's Take on Vudu's HD Quality

                            The MPEG2 HD channels that DirecTV still has are "HD-lite." Their new MPEG4 HD channels, which are the majority of the HD that they carry are not lower resolution. They are full resolution. From the chart I posted you can see which ones are still MPEG2.

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                              #89
                              Re: Gizmodo's Take on Vudu's HD Quality

                              Originally posted by RonV View Post
                              The MPEG2 HD channels that DirecTV still has are "HD-lite." Their new MPEG4 HD channels, which are the majority of the HD that they carry are not lower resolution. They are full resolution. From the chart I posted you can see which ones are still MPEG2.
                              This is not directed to DirecTV, but generally speaking it's been disappointing to see how slow the television is moving into the HD world. I perfectly understand that HD requires major investments and such, but -- darn it! -- after watching HD, it's hard to go back to SD...

                              And I am not the only one who feels this way because I've seen data that indicates that people watch some HD programming simply because it's in HD.

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                                #90
                                Re: Gizmodo's Take on Vudu's HD Quality

                                Originally posted by Rusdude View Post
                                This is not directed to DirecTV, but generally speaking it's been disappointing to see how slow the television is moving into the HD world. I perfectly understand that HD requires major investments and such, but -- darn it! -- after watching HD, it's hard to go back to SD...

                                And I am not the only one who feels this way because I've seen data that indicates that people watch some HD programming simply because it's in HD.
                                This is 2008. There is tons of HD on now compared to 2001 when I first started watching HD. Although even then I watched shows like Alias and CSI in HD.

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