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    ISP Limits on Download Bandwidth

    I have an issue that I was wondering is unique to my Internet Service Provider (which happens to be PenTeleData through Service Electric Cable Company in Pennsylvania.)

    I've figured based on the capacity of the 250gb HD of 50 movies, that they are about a 5gb filesize each. That's just the filesize on the HD, not even considering packet overhead for the transfer of the file.

    So 10 movies would be about 50gb.

    The last time I went over 50gb in one month download bandwidth, my ISP threatened to transfer my Residential account to a Business account (at 3 times the cost per month) if I did it again.

    I can watch 10 movies in a week, let alone a month, so all these wonderful internet based downloadable features remain out of my reach because my ISP is stingy on bandwidth (the old "Fair Use Policy")

    Does everyone have an ISP like this? Are these bandwidth limits the general limits for other ISP's? When will the cable companies realize that the days of tiny downloads are over and that people have reason to download gigs of data on a regular basis?

    I just wanted to know if there are others out there afraid they won't get their money's worth out of a service like Vudu because they'll have to meter their 'unlimited' downloads based on ISP imposed limits before I go back to my cable company and start a whole lot of trouble with them for being in the cyber stone age with their Fair Use policies or I consider switching to any other provider. My choices are limited because I live in a very rural area. We just got two-way cable broadband last July!! I guess they figure I should be thankful for what I get.

    Thanks for reading and in advance for any replies.

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    Many of the wireless and satellite vendors have bandwidth limitations that I am aware of. Here is a list of ISP you should stay away from.

    http://www.azureuswiki.com/index.php...tes_of_America

    Also Comcast has a limit which they will deny exists, but many have received letters in regards to bandwidth utilization:
    http://blog.wired.com/monkeybites/20...t-custome.html


    If I were you I would find a ISP that has a better fair use policy. Currently I download about 170 Gig per month and AT&T DSL has yet to complain...

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      #3
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      I don't know the answer to your question. But a few things I can correct.

      Our movies are in the <1GB to 2GB size, not 5GB. When HD become available, the size will be larger, I don't know the average size at this time.

      I would hope that ISPs find a better way to manage their traffic than using these download size restrictions. It's short sighted.

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        Originally posted by TinL View Post
        Our movies are in the <1GB to 2GB size, not 5GB. When HD become available, the size will be larger, I don't know the average size at this time.
        That's interesting. The size of the average .mpg file on a DVD is 3 to 5 GB. Are the movies less than DVD quality?

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          Re: ISP Limits on Download Bandwidth

          I can say from personal experiance that the movie quality is excellent. When I watched "300" and the quality was equal to my DVD copy...

          The movie's quality is dependent on the source material provided by the studio.

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            I'll accept that the quality is good. I should be able to verify that myself if my box comes this week. It would still be good to know if they are using some trick to make it as good as DVD quality or if it really isn't. If file sizes are really 1/3 of the file size on the DVD it means either the format is more compact but not more lossless or that there is less infomation which needs to have some impact on video or audio quality. I don't see any other explanation.

            It makes sense to at least ask the question since they are talking about supporting HD movies. It is my understanding that HD movies can be in the vicinity of 25GB/movie. If the current movies are not DVD quality then I would suspect that the HD movies aren't HD quality either. Either way, I would like to know.

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              DVD's use MPEG-2 for compression which was the best compression you could get back when DVD's first came out without requiring a lot of CPU for decompression. Its not lossless compression and neither is a high definition DVD lossless.

              Now its about 10 years later and compression has improved considerably. VUDU uses a proprietary compression of video from studio source material. All I can say is that it is DVD quality based on what I have seen.

              This leads to a question of what would qualify has a high definition quality? If you look at Cable and Satellite presentation of high definition programming you can get better high definition off the airwaves. These sources are sometimes over compressed.

              Both HD formats use H.264 which is commonly known as MPEG-4. With decent high definition source material you should be able to get it down to 1/3 the size and still preserve the video quality. Again its back to the quality of the source material and how much compression is acceptable before artifacts are introduced and the viewing experience is degraded.

              You may want to look at this WIKI for the levels of H.264 and compare the data rates agains compression components for a better idea of how this works...

              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.264

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                Re: ISP Limits on Download Bandwidth

                Thanks for the response. That's what I was looking for. I'm confident that I won't be able to detect any difference between DVDs and Vudu movies, which is good. I understand what you mean about the differeing levels of "HD" as well. I currently have HD on both satellite and cable and I'm sure it isn't as "HD" as over the airwaves, but I accept it as HD. The same thing would apply here. The movies may be HD, meaning much better than DVD, but they still might not be as amazing as a Blu-Ray disk being played. But the trade off of being able to get it off the net will be worth it.

                Any idea on how much the increased size of the Vudu HD movies will impact the wait time to start a movie playing?

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                  #9
                  Re: ISP Limits on Download Bandwidth

                  I think we'll find the HD movie file sizes to be about 2X the SD counterpart (can't remember wher I gleaned this one).

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                    I have been playing with this box since I received it on Friday and I can tell you the playback is indistinguishable from a dvd. Video playback was a concern for me, but after seeing the video quality I am happy. And this is watching the movie on a 110" screen.


                    Visit the 5 Star Cinema

                    Ken

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                      Re: ISP Limits on Download Bandwidth

                      Ken,

                      I swear, when they release the HD stuff to the public users it's going to knock your socks off. All I can tell you is that the HD stuff I've seen on my Vudu was some of the best video quality I've ever seen on my projection setup (similar to yours).

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                        Wow Ken! Thanks for the update, that's absolutely amazing.


                        Originally posted by kmulder View Post
                        I have been playing with this box since I received it on Friday and I can tell you the playback is indistinguishable from a dvd. Video playback was a concern for me, but after seeing the video quality I am happy. And this is watching the movie on a 110" screen.


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                        Ken
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                          Re: ISP Limits on Download Bandwidth

                          Originally posted by redwein View Post
                          That's interesting. The size of the average .mpg file on a DVD is 3 to 5 GB. Are the movies less than DVD quality?
                          Not at all. I am not telling you anything that is not already public. Yes, we use H.264 compression. The size depends on a number of factors: length of source material, quality of source, type (action, static, etc.) and so on.

                          You will find that the quality is at least DVD or better for source that started at same level.

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