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  • NA9D
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    Re: Vudu almost here - need some preperation help

    Originally posted by dg900rr View Post
    i used the Buffalo ethernet converters with great success.
    The problem is that Buffalo is being sued right now and are prohibited by injunction from selling any more WiFi devices. I'm not sure if that injunction is lifted or not but it removed a great product from the market...

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  • NA9D
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    Re: Vudu almost here - need some preperation help

    Originally posted by HeadHodge View Post
    You connect 2 Zone Bridges together the same way you connect 2 Powerline adapters together.

    The only difference is that the Zone Bridge communicates with each other via wireless instead of the homes power lines like a PowerLine does.

    The other thing I really like about the Zone Bridge is that if the distance between the 2 ZoneBridges is too great you can get a 3rd one and it will act as a repeater. So in theory you could get unlimited range with enough ZoneBridges chained together.

    Ah. It's probably binding two 54 Mb/sec channels together to get a 100 Mb/sec pipe.

    Cool when stuff works well!

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  • dg900rr
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    Re: Vudu almost here - need some preperation help

    i used the Buffalo ethernet converters with great success.

    they accept 3rd party updates if so inclined.

    you mentioned you are not a networking person, but do you know if you have security settings on the equipment?

    did you turn off all the networking equipment and restart them (one at a time) to get good DHCP ip's?

    it could be the game adapter is trying to use an IP already in use by another device...???

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  • HeadHodge
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    Re: Vudu almost here - need some preperation help

    Originally posted by NA9D View Post
    ???

    How was it a wireless connection if you plugged it in??
    You connect 2 Zone Bridges together the same way you connect 2 Powerline adapters together.

    The only difference is that the Zone Bridge communicates with each other via wireless instead of the homes power lines like a PowerLine does.

    The other thing I really like about the Zone Bridge is that if the distance between the 2 ZoneBridges is too great you can get a 3rd one and it will act as a repeater. So in theory you could get unlimited range with enough ZoneBridges chained together.

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  • NA9D
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    Re: Vudu almost here - need some preperation help

    Originally posted by HeadHodge View Post
    I use my notebook via wireless normally, but out of curiosity I plugged in my notebook to my Sonos Zone Bridge (the same one I plug my VUDU to) via a standard ethernet cable.

    It connected to my router just fine and when I looked at the status of the connection, it reported it was connected to the router (not the internet) at 100Mbs.

    I could be wrong, but I think you would call that "most excellent" for a wireless bridge.

    Regards
    ???

    How was it a wireless connection if you plugged it in??

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  • HeadHodge
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    Re: Vudu almost here - need some preperation help

    I use my notebook via wireless normally, but out of curiosity I plugged in my notebook to my Sonos Zone Bridge (the same one I plug my VUDU to) via a standard ethernet cable.

    It connected to my router just fine and when I looked at the status of the connection, it reported it was connected to the router (not the internet) at 100Mbs.

    I could be wrong, but I think you would call that "most excellent" for a wireless bridge.

    Regards

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  • HeadHodge
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    Re: Vudu almost here - need some preperation help

    Originally posted by HeadHodge View Post
    I bought the linksys powerline adapters and they worked great from my office to my kitchen but would not work from the office to the rec room (where VUDU is). The rec room was further away and maybe on different circuit, but in either case it would not work.

    So I bought 2 Sonos ZoneBridges and I plugged one into my router and the other into my VUDU and it was up and running just great in about 10 minutes. That is why I always keep recommending Sonos.

    http://www.sonos.com/products/zonebr...0/features.htm

    If memory serves me, you can go to the Sonos forum/tech support site and I'm (almost positive) they describe a way to configure your computers ethernet port to act as bridge when using the same computer with WIFI. I never tried this myself.

    This is for Windows so I don't know if you can do the same with MAC.

    So my point is you may be able to temporarily use your computer as a bridge until you get something better.

    Also if I "really" wanted to watch a few movies tonight I would go to your local Blockbuster, which is physically located in your office, plug the VUDU box in there, then select a few movies you want to watch, download them to the box then move the VUDU box to your TV tonight and watch the movies.

    Where there's a will there's a way!!!!

    Regards

    Regards

    BTW I'm currently in scenic Bakersfield CA and the VUDU content I downloaded works fine and it's about 250 miles from my router!!!!
    Here's the links for using your computer as a wireless bridge to connect your Sonos or VUDU to the internet.
    • For more information on setting up a Microsoft Network Bridge, click here.
    • For more information on OS X Internet Connection Sharing, click here.

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  • aaronwt
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    Re: Vudu almost here - need some preperation help

    Originally posted by Nded View Post
    I am going to paint a picture of "phase" for you with a very wide brush - folks who speak electricitese try not to be overly critical of this simplified version.

    Typical US electrical service comes into your home on 2 hot wires (~110V each) and is desperately seeking a neutral/ground to escape. If you have any 220V devices (AC, Ovens, cool Tools), they need to connect to both 110's to get service. All of your regular 110V outlets are only connected to one of the hots. These 2 hot wires are on opposite cycles or "phases". If you look at your circuit breaker box you will find that the circuits on the left side are on one phase, while the circuits on the right side are on the other phase. When the electric wave of one is "high", the wave of the other is "low". When you use things like X-10, Telephone over AC, and I'm assuming ethernet over AC, they need typcially need to be on the same "phase" to see each other. For X-10 users there is a bridge device that will allow your signals to cross over to the other phase.

    I hope this helped, but I may have just muddied the waters in your mind.
    I know when I tested the Powerline adapters at home I could get a connection no matter what circuit I put the second one on. What did affect the speed was an overhead flourescent light in my Kitchen and dining room. If either of those were on the speed through the powerline adapter would drop to 4 or 5mbs.
    I had no problems with my other flourescent lights, only those two which use the same lighting base I bought from Home Depot. As long as those were off speeds were very fast. At my girlfriends where the Powerline adapters are now, there are no speed problems.

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  • NA9D
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    Re: Vudu almost here - need some preperation help

    Originally posted by HeadHodge View Post
    Oh yea right.... The next thing you'll tell us is that the refrigerator light goes off when you close the door!!
    Well, on mine, I have a little man who lives in my fridge and unscrews the bulb. He gets to nibble on extra food in exchange for doing the work with the light.

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  • NA9D
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    Damn, Ed! You explained phase good!

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  • Nded
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    Re: Vudu almost here - need some preperation help

    Originally posted by calseeor View Post
    ...snip...What does the same phase mean? Would that mean that I shouldnt have a problem? (I'm not hip to electrical terms)
    I am going to paint a picture of "phase" for you with a very wide brush - folks who speak electricitese try not to be overly critical of this simplified version.

    Typical US electrical service comes into your home on 2 hot wires (~110V each) and is desperately seeking a neutral/ground to escape. If you have any 220V devices (AC, Ovens, cool Tools), they need to connect to both 110's to get service. All of your regular 110V outlets are only connected to one of the hots. These 2 hot wires are on opposite cycles or "phases". If you look at your circuit breaker box you will find that the circuits on the left side are on one phase, while the circuits on the right side are on the other phase. When the electric wave of one is "high", the wave of the other is "low". When you use things like X-10, Telephone over AC, and I'm assuming ethernet over AC, they need typcially need to be on the same "phase" to see each other. For X-10 users there is a bridge device that will allow your signals to cross over to the other phase.

    I hope this helped, but I may have just muddied the waters in your mind.

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  • HeadHodge
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    Re: Vudu almost here - need some preperation help

    Originally posted by NA9D View Post
    Guess what - they are connected together. So even if you "split" the load between them, it's the same wire that carries that load.
    Oh yea right.... The next thing you'll tell us is that the refrigerator light goes off when you close the door!!

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  • NA9D
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    Re: Vudu almost here - need some preperation help

    Wireless gaming adapters have lots of problems.

    OK, secret on your electrical outlet:

    It can typically handle a load of at least 15 amps. There's probably other devices but you aren't going to draw maximum power each time. You have two outlets per wall socket. Guess what - they are connected together. So even if you "split" the load between them, it's the same wire that carries that load. If for some reason, you overload the circuit, your circuit breaker will trip, but I've never overloaded anything on my AV system and I have breakers on my power strips. I have a TON of stuff loaded and have never had a problem. Most of your AV devices draw probably between 10 and 20 Watts of power on the AV voltage side of the power supply and that at maximum. Most are probably a few watts worth of power. Let's put it this way, if something draws 500 mA of current at 12 Volts, that's a 6 W device. Pretty typical. So that 6 W at 100 Volts turns into 0.06 Amps. So it barely loads your circuit.

    Plus you want the power strip for your AV equipment as that protects the equipment from power surges. The powerline adapters have surge protectors built into them so they are OK to plug in directly.

    As for the Vudu and wireless: Vudu is always listening to customer input. I am sure they know that people want a wireless solution.

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  • HeadHodge
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    Re: Vudu almost here - need some preperation help

    Originally posted by Nded View Post
    So, what are your plans to plug in the Vudu and whatever ethernet solution you choose (wireless vs. over AC)?

    Re AC adapter - I thought they had to be on the same phase, not the same circuit. Jon - can you chime in on this?
    I bought the linksys powerline adapters and they worked great from my office to my kitchen but would not work from the office to the rec room (where VUDU is). The rec room was further away and maybe on different circuit, but in either case it would not work.

    So I bought 2 Sonos ZoneBridges and I plugged one into my router and the other into my VUDU and it was up and running just great in about 10 minutes. That is why I always keep recommending Sonos.

    http://www.sonos.com/products/zonebr...0/features.htm

    If memory serves me, you can go to the Sonos forum/tech support site and I'm (almost positive) they describe a way to configure your computers ethernet port to act as bridge when using the same computer with WIFI. I never tried this myself.

    This is for Windows so I don't know if you can do the same with MAC.

    So my point is you may be able to temporarily use your computer as a bridge until you get something better.

    Also if I "really" wanted to watch a few movies tonight I would go to your local Blockbuster, which is physically located in your office, plug the VUDU box in there, then select a few movies you want to watch, download them to the box then move the VUDU box to your TV tonight and watch the movies.

    Where there's a will there's a way!!!!

    Regards

    Regards

    BTW I'm currently in scenic Bakersfield CA and the VUDU content I downloaded works fine and it's about 250 miles from my router!!!!

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  • calseeor
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    Re: Vudu almost here - need some preperation help

    Originally posted by NA9D View Post
    Powerline adapters need to go directly into the wall. I suggest this:

    Get a large power strip with about 8 or 10 outlets - they make them for AV equipment. Plug everything in there except the powerline adapter. Then plug the powerline adapter into the other wall socket.

    The best solution is indeed to run an ethernet line. But right now that will cost you the most if you have to get a contractor. Too bad you don't live close to me, I'd come do it for nuttin!
    Going to be taking any trips to Virginia in the near future?

    So a single outlet could hold that power load without shorting or bursting into hellish flames? If that is the case, then I guess i don't have a problem anymore (aside from the simple fact that wireless should just work like all my other wireless stuff - so its really annoying).
    Future upgrade enhancment for Vudu - add built in wireless or make it more wireless device friendly.

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