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    Re: The "Incorrect Aspect Ratio" Thread

    Originally posted by eknova View Post
    You can add "RENT" to the lisy of films with an incorrect aspect ratio.
    Just did. Thanks for letting me know.

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      Re: The "Incorrect Aspect Ratio" Thread

      Scooby-Doo On Zombie Island is streched to 16x9.

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        Re: The "Incorrect Aspect Ratio" Thread

        Another one to add to the list:

        "Harper" with Paul Newman
        OAR is 2.35 - HDX, HD, and SD versions are all panned and scanned to 1.85. The opening titles are in the correct aspect ratio; the rest of the movie is panned and scanned.

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          Re: The "Incorrect Aspect Ratio" Thread

          Just added 'em. Thanks again!

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            Re: The "Incorrect Aspect Ratio" Thread

            Add THE HOBBIT: DESOLATION OF SMAUG 3D...cropped to 16X9.

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              Re: The "Incorrect Aspect Ratio" Thread

              Originally posted by joezone1 View Post
              Add THE HOBBIT: DESOLATION OF SMAUG 3D...cropped to 16X9.
              I looked into this - actually, it looks like the 70mm IMAX 3D was presented at 2:1. (The Red Epic Dragon camera used to shoot it is 2:1 so that makes sense). So it's questionable how much is cropped vs. open matte (ie the 2.35:1 presentation may have been vertically cropped/matted). If there is horizontal cropping it's likely only about 7% vs. ~25% if it were really 2.35:1 -> 1.87:1.

              Anyway - it annoys me too when VUDU gets 16x9 versions of 2.35:1 OAR releases from the studios (and we are working where possible to get OAR sources? often they are just not available for VOD). But there are a lot of movies that are shot w/ 35mm open matte, so they aren't cropped for 16:9, just opened vertically. Those are still not necessarily the theatrical OAR, but at least it's not pan&scan/cropping. Studios often do this as a compromise for TV so picture isn't lost, but they can cater to the people who don't like letterboxing...

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                Re: The "Incorrect Aspect Ratio" Thread

                Two more for the list:

                "The Bridges at Toko-Ri" (1954) (William Holden)
                The film is presented on Vudu in 1.33:1 in SD, HD and HDX versions. The original aspect ratio is 1.85.
                The film was shot in VistaVision and includes Paramount's VistaVision framing guide for projectionists that flashes on the screen during the opening titles. The DVD also presents the film in the 1.33 aspect ratio.

                "The VIPs" (1963) (Elizabeth Taylor and Richard Burton)
                This film was originally produced and shown at 2.35. The opening titles are in the correct aspect ratio, but the rest of the flick is panned and scanned for 1.85. It affects the SD, HD, and HDX versions of the film. Another cable tv master provided by the studio.

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                  Re: The "Incorrect Aspect Ratio" Thread

                  Added all of the recent finds to the post. Thanks again for helping me out! Looks like this thread's celebrating its 1-year anniversary, something I hoped didn't have to happen, but Vudu is being particularly slow on fixing these issues.

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                    Re: The "Incorrect Aspect Ratio" Thread

                    Originally posted by Jake View Post
                    I looked into this - actually, it looks like the 70mm IMAX 3D was presented at 2:1. (The Red Epic Dragon camera used to shoot it is 2:1 so that makes sense). So it's questionable how much is cropped vs. open matte (ie the 2.35:1 presentation may have been vertically cropped/matted). If there is horizontal cropping it's likely only about 7% vs. ~25% if it were really 2.35:1 -> 1.87:1.

                    Anyway - it annoys me too when VUDU gets 16x9 versions of 2.35:1 OAR releases from the studios (and we are working where possible to get OAR sources? often they are just not available for VOD). But there are a lot of movies that are shot w/ 35mm open matte, so they aren't cropped for 16:9, just opened vertically. Those are still not necessarily the theatrical OAR, but at least it's not pan&scan/cropping. Studios often do this as a compromise for TV so picture isn't lost, but they can cater to the people who don't like letterboxing...
                    Thank you for checking up on this. I did not see the movie in IMAX so I can't state how it was projected in that format (nor would I remember specifics even if I did!) But I know IMAX films I've seen in the past weren't cropped as severely. Sadly, the 3D Vudu edition of SMAUG is quite noticeably cropped. For an early example, at approx 1.11 mins in (2D), on the left you can see a chimney with a cylinder protruding at the top that is spewing smoke. But on the 3D version, you only see a corner of the chimney (you wouldn't even know it was a chimney) and that's it! Plus smoke translates well in 3D...but not on the cropped 3D version! Obviously not a big plot point but it adds to atmosphere. And since visuals are a big part of these movies, losing so much of it is a deal-breaker for me. (And I find it difficult to accept that Peter Jackson composed it that way on the RED.) Others may not care and that's fine. But it's just not the way I want to view a movie like this...I want to see ALL of the dragon...from snout to tail! It's truly a shame that the studio provided Vudu with such a compromised version.

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                      Re: The "Incorrect Aspect Ratio" Thread

                      A correction for the list.

                      I checked "The Ladies Man" (Jerry Lewis, 1961) and this is in the correct aspect ratio.

                      The 2000 film featuring the "Saturday Night Live" comedian Tim Meadows is the one with the incorrect aspect ratio.

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                        My OAR observations

                        It's interesting that I found this thread right after watching Devil's Advocate. (My co-workers are in NYC this weekend so I thought it would be fun to watch the movie again. Actually, this one and a hundred others...Bell, Book and Candle...) As soon as I saw anamorphic distortion I realized I was watching a cropped Panavision movie. It's bad enough that this is normal on HBO but why vudu?

                        I don't have a problem with spherical/1.33 movies shown at 1.78 or 1.33 instead of theatrically cropped 1.85 OAR. 99 percent of the time there is no loss of image content and the composition works just fine. Just compare formats on all your DVD movies that offer the choice! There are some odd transfers that gain image at the sides as they lose top and bottom image when they go from full frame to letterbox. Pollyanna, Walk on Water, The Godfather are examples. Walk on Water is 1.33 on vudu and 1.85 on CinemaNow. Watching "full frame" Pollyanna on LaserDisc and letterboxed on DVD it appears to have been composed for the full academy frame and neither transfer works because BOTH are cropped. For example, the church steeple is obviously intended to be seen all the way to the top but the full frame version which I know to be missing sides has to also be missing top and bottom to maintain 1.33 ratio - the top of the steeple is cropped off. And items on the dinner table disappear when letterboxed but the composition works better when seen "full frame." Weird. I think other Disney full frame transfers also zoom in and suffer from titles being cramped against the sides. Example, full frame LaserDisc of Darby O'Gill and the Little People.

                        The Sword in the Stone is probably better in 1.33 - it was drawn that way!

                        Wouldn't it be awesome if the SD/1.33 version of Seven Brides for Seven Brothers is the spherical version which was filmed along with CinemaScope version but apparently never used? It's available on DVD. There is NO reason to crop the movie since the 1.33 version exists!

                        And wouldn't it be awesome if UV/vudu had the CinemaScope version of OKLAHOMA! available in addition to the Todd-AO version!! It's on DVD! Well, it was also on television and VHS for years and years before the Todd-AO version resurfaced on LaserDisc. We are seeing lots of alternate versions so it makes perfect sense.

                        Someone has mentioned audio issues. I agree. Why are we getting matrix surround in HDX when our -SD- DVDs have 5.1 sound? This is something else that varies from vudu to CinemaNow. It is not acceptable.

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                          Re: The "Incorrect Aspect Ratio" Thread

                          So mad that Deep Impact is P&S. Please Contact the studio and get it fixed.

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                            Re: The "Incorrect Aspect Ratio" Thread

                            Some more for the list.

                            Note that the incorrect aspect ratio is in the SD, HD, and HDX versions of these pictures:

                            Cromwell (Richard Harris, 1970) - Exhibited in 2.20 (UK) and 2.35 (US); Vudu version is panned and scanned to 1.85. Opening titles are in the correct aspect ratio.

                            Ride the High Country (Randolph Scott, 1962) - Shot/exhibited in 2.35 (US); Vudu version is panned and scanned to 1.85. Opening titles are in the correct aspect ratio.

                            The Sandpiper (Richard Burton and Elizabeth Taylor, 1965) - - Shot/exhibited in 2.35 (US); Vudu version is panned and scanned to 1.85. Opening titles are in the correct aspect ratio.

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                              Re: The "Incorrect Aspect Ratio" Thread

                              Originally posted by coolcatdaddy View Post
                              Some more for the list.

                              Note that the incorrect aspect ratio is in the SD, HD, and HDX versions of these pictures:

                              Cromwell (Richard Harris, 1970) - Exhibited in 2.20 (UK) and 2.35 (US); Vudu version is panned and scanned to 1.85. Opening titles are in the correct aspect ratio.

                              Ride the High Country (Randolph Scott, 1962) - Shot/exhibited in 2.35 (US); Vudu version is panned and scanned to 1.85. Opening titles are in the correct aspect ratio.

                              The Sandpiper (Richard Burton and Elizabeth Taylor, 1965) - - Shot/exhibited in 2.35 (US); Vudu version is panned and scanned to 1.85. Opening titles are in the correct aspect ratio.
                              Sorry that it took me a while to get to this, but I have just updated the list with these additions. Thanks!

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                                Re: The "Incorrect Aspect Ratio" Thread

                                Conspiracy Theory has been fixed, the HDX version is now in its OAR

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