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    #31
    Re: Vudu Accelerates Plan to OEM its VOD

    Originally posted by tamanaco View Post
    How do I start... The current Vudu interface is not customizable... but in the future it might be... You might choose to remove the Vudu Labs icon on the top right of main page of the Vudu interface. I try to think of the Vudu box as a somewhat customizable TV turner with many stations. In the past you had to live with all those numbers in the dial, but today you can remove the numbers from the dial if they bother you that much. In your case, the Vudu main page you would only have the functions to access the "highly polished content" you want to view. I already do something similar with my SqueezeBox... The menu items can be added or removed from the UI.
    I have to ask, are you ever going to be happy with having other content in your Tivo? If not, doesn't Tivo also offer boxes without the VOD bells and whistles. If they do, you should get one of those.
    If you are saying that I may just be able to remove the Vudu Labs button, the button's existence doesn't bother me. I just said I don't use it. If what you are saying, however is that you envision the Vudu STB remaining and the content from Vudu Labs "promoted" into the first class UI, and you can use the polished UI on top of all kinds of data, then I'm perfectly fine with that. The more content the merrier. My skeptical comments about the "do everything box" were based on the premise that the separation of the Vudu from the non-Vudu content was the way it was going to be in the long term and what Vudu and Tivo have currently done. If you are saying you believe it is going to drastically improve, then I could be quite happy with that.

    About the running on the other boxes, you gave a lot of reasons why it wouldn't work very well. My questioning whether it could work well or not was motivated by the original article that specifically mentioned that Vudu was accelerating its plans to run on things like DVD players. I was questioning how they could possibly do that well, for a variety of reasons. I honestly can't tell your positon on that from your post. I just don't see that being an offering I would be interested in.

    About the Tivo suggestion that I get one without VOD, I'm happy with my series 3 for the features I use it for. I simply don't think they have done a very good job with VOD. Remember, I said I was fine with both Vudu Labs and Tivo's handling of VOD as long as they didn't interfere with what I use Vudu and Tivo for. I never said that their existence bothered me. If Tivo could find a way to elegantly fold VOD in in a way that was as good as Vudu, then I would consider switching to them for VOD as well. So far that hasn't happened. I'm not opposed to them doing it. I just wouldn't be happy with what they have done so far and what they have done so far makes me wonder if it isn't a pretty tough problem to solve. They do have this new search capability coming out. Maybe that will be something that moves toward a good integrated solution. I will certainly check it out when it gets here.

    The bottom line for me is, I want something as nice as the current Vudu interface and user experience is as a front end for VOD. Whoever does that best will get my money. If it includes extra content, great, as long as the interface and user experience don't suffer because of it.
    Last edited by redwein; 01-27-2009, 07:58 PM.

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      #32
      Re: Vudu Accelerates Plan to OEM its VOD

      After hearing about the layoffs, I'm already clearing a space in the closet next to my Beta HiFi VCR , DCC tape deck , MiniDisc Player , D-VHS Player , and HD-DVD Player. oops,I forgot my LaserDisc Player. Looks like I jinxed the Vudu just by buying one.

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        #33
        Re: Vudu Accelerates Plan to OEM its VOD

        Originally posted by BRAKEMAN8 View Post
        After hearing about the layoffs, I'm already clearing a space in the closet next to my Beta HiFi VCR , DCC tape deck , MiniDisc Player , D-VHS Player , and HD-DVD Player. oops,I forgot my LaserDisc Player. Looks like I jinxed the Vudu just by buying one.
        Unless you're the Detroit Lions, your due for a win. Heck, I'm willing to bet some cheese that the Lions will not repeat the perfect failed season (double wager for a win in the first half of the season). Vudu could be the game that changes your luck!

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          #34
          Re: Vudu Accelerates Plan to OEM its VOD

          Originally posted by tamanaco View Post
          even know if Hulu...Hulu is growing....Hulu might overtake youtube....partner with Hulu....similar with Hulu....The Hulu ..Hulu... Vudu... Hudu... Vulu...
          Yawn

          Now back to our regularly scheduled programming...

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            #35
            Re: Vudu Accelerates Plan to OEM its VOD

            Originally posted by redwein View Post
            The bottom line for me is, I want something as nice as the current Vudu interface and user experience is as a front end for VOD. Whoever does that best will get my money. If it includes extra content, great, as long as the interface and user experience don't suffer because of it.
            Well, I don't know what you want or if Vudu is going to make your dream box. But I'll say it again... Vudu needs to grow its base or get some funding "fast" in order to remain in business as an independent company. They can survive by adding users via additional content channels in the Vudu box, partnering with someone in the media business to provide them with Vudu software and services. Anything that will give a substantial and fast return. Being acquired is another option, but the independence goes out the door.

            Enhancing the existing offering for the existing user base is way down in their priorities list. At this point any expense that does not result in quick returns will shorten their runway.

            Since my suggestions above are not up to part... I'll stop suggesting them and I'll let the big brains analyze the problem and solve it. But before I go... I'll ask you... given that you've dismissed every thing I said... with Vudu's funding drying out... after your "analysis"... what should Vudu be doing to remain in business?

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              #36
              Re: Vudu Accelerates Plan to OEM its VOD

              Originally posted by tamanaco View Post
              Well, I don't know what you want or if Vudu is going to make your dream box.
              I don't see how it's possible that you don't know what I want since I have described it very clearly.

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                #37
                Re: Vudu Accelerates Plan to OEM its VOD

                Originally posted by tamanaco View Post
                I'll ask you... given that you've dismissed every thing I said... with Vudu's funding drying out... after your "analysis"... what should Vudu be doing to remain in business?
                Um, that's completely untrue that I dismissed anything you said, let alone everything. And why are you referring to anything discussed on another thread? This thread had nothing to do with "analysis". In fact, I didn't use that word once. My comments on this thread have related to the topic being discussed on this thread only which was Vudu's acceleration of OEMing their software for it to run on other boxes. I thought the other thread was closed and we just agreed to disagree. As for this thread, you have dismissed everything I have said, told me I didn't know anything about streaming, responded to my posts in a way that completely ignores almost every thing I said, etc., while all I did was asked some questions about how anyone saw Vudu's stated plans playing out and gave my opinion about what I liked and what I didn't about the way things currently are and the way it seemed like things were going based on the OP. I also gave some insight as to my reasoning. I honestly can't see how your responses even followed from my posts.

                BTW, please notice that on this thread that I even acknowledged that Vudu would need to do whatever it takes to stay alive. I simply stated that I hoped that at the end of it all, I would still like using the product. Exactly what is wrong with that?
                Last edited by redwein; 01-28-2009, 12:08 AM.

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                  #38
                  Re: Vudu Accelerates Plan to OEM its VOD

                  Bottom line of this thread: OEM'ing their software is a good move. It has been done many times in many industries and there is safety in numbers. Heck, even Tivo was rumored for years to be dying and that really dried up after they licensed their software to Comcast and Cox (and it still is just in Beta, but the rumors died). That gave more people confidence and Tivo's stand alone sales rose considerably.It would be great to have Vudu on Time Warner Boxes, tivo boxes, in LG, Samsung and Sony "connected" TVs and in many 2.0 Blu-Ray players.

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                    #39
                    Re: Vudu Accelerates Plan to OEM its VOD

                    Originally posted by larrs View Post
                    Bottom line of this thread: OEM'ing their software is a good move. It has been done many times in many industries and there is safety in numbers. Heck, even Tivo was rumored for years to be dying and that really dried up after they licensed their software to Comcast and Cox (and it still is just in Beta, but the rumors died). That gave more people confidence and Tivo's stand alone sales rose considerably.It would be great to have Vudu on Time Warner Boxes, tivo boxes, in LG, Samsung and Sony "connected" TVs and in many 2.0 Blu-Ray players.
                    Completely agree with your post... Even just initiating "exploratory" talks with the "potential" of signing an agreement to OEM Vudu software to one of those players would have a positive impact. They need to change the perception out there. Seeing a glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel would give Venture Capitalist an incentive to look at Vudu again, reset their perception and release some funding. At this point, it's all about positively changing future expectations.

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                      #40
                      Re: Vudu Accelerates Plan to OEM its VOD

                      Originally posted by larrs View Post
                      Bottom line of this thread: OEM'ing their software is a good move. It has been done many times in many industries and there is safety in numbers. Heck, even Tivo was rumored for years to be dying and that really dried up after they licensed their software to Comcast and Cox (and it still is just in Beta, but the rumors died). That gave more people confidence and Tivo's stand alone sales rose considerably.It would be great to have Vudu on Time Warner Boxes, tivo boxes, in LG, Samsung and Sony "connected" TVs and in many 2.0 Blu-Ray players.
                      I dont' disagree. But that still does leave the questions of what form that would take and how closely the end result will resemble the Vudu of Today as far as polish and functionality are concerned (e.g. will it be a least common denominator solution, just a content provider, etc.). In the Tivo/Comcast case, it's easier to see since Tivo could theoretically just replace Comcast's DVR interface with their own, thus making it work just like a Tivo. It's less clear in the Vudu case. I'm still curious about that and it shouldn't be viewed negatively to ask. I think those are interesting things to discuss on this discussion board. So far there haven't been a lot of answers.
                      Last edited by redwein; 01-28-2009, 09:19 AM.

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                        #41
                        Re: Vudu Accelerates Plan to OEM its VOD

                        Originally posted by redwein View Post
                        I dont' disagree. But that still does leave the questions of what form that would take and how closely the end result will resemble the Vudu of Today as far as polish and functionality (e.g. will it be a least common denominator solution, just a content provider, etc.). I'm still curious about that and it shouldn't be viewed negatively to ask. I think those are interesting things to discuss on this discussion board. So far there hasn't been a lot of answers.
                        Well, if you follow my train of thought from one of my previous posts regarding splitting VUDU into two separate divisions (or profit centers) where one involves only being a content provider for acquiring and disseminating movie content and the other for VUDU hardware mfg and sales that promotes and supports the VUDU box to be used by multiple content service providers to disseminate their content, I could see the content arm just focusing on providing content in multiple formats that are made to be compatable with the various devices out there that can display content.

                        With that vision, the VUDU content division would provide content in multiple forms and formats. So even though they may partner with someone like LG, the movie content may come from VUDU, but the interface may look nothing like the one on the VUDU box nor the content have the same quality.

                        Then the Hardware division would focus on adapting multiple content providers to present their content in a format that's compatible (or complies) with the VUDU rich viewing experience. They would be content provider agnostic and he VUDU content division would simply be one of those customers for the VUDU box.

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                          #42
                          Re: Vudu Accelerates Plan to OEM its VOD

                          Ok. I can clearly see that. I wonder if that's what they are thinking. From the OP, it sounded like they were OEMing their software which more sounded like Vudu running on a DVD player, rather than just providing content for it. Also, assuming they do become a content provider, where will they provide this content from? Will it be all of our Vudu P2P boxes, even though the DVD player isn't a peer? Will they add servers to provide the content? That sounds like a big investment and somewhat inconsistent with what the financial realities seem to be.

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                            #43
                            Re: Vudu Accelerates Plan to OEM its VOD

                            Originally posted by redwein View Post
                            Ok. I can clearly see that.
                            That's a first for me, thanks!!!

                            As you suggest, the devil is in the details.

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