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    HD movies not widescreen

    I purchased 101 Dalmatians and the old Batman TV series in HD.
    Is it normal that it isn't widescreen? I thought if something was in HD it was supposed to be widescreen? Both examples are from the 1960s.

    Since they are 4x3 does that mean the resolution is technically less than widescreen?

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    Checking IMDB, the Batman TV show was in 1.33:1 aspect ratio, so it's normal that it isn't widescreen. It's not surprising, since most TV shows prior to the introduction of widescreen TVs were in 1.33:1 ratio (a few have had the footage to be able to redo them as widescreen (by using widescreen footage, not by cropping the footage) - X-Files comes to mind), but those are the exception)

    With regards to 101 Dalmations (1961), one of the ratios listed on IMDB is 1.75:1, so it sounds like it should be available in widescreen.

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      Re: HD movies not widescreen

      The aspect ratios for films have changed over time. In the beginning, they used 1.37:1, also called Academy Standard. When television was invented, they used the same standard, also called 4x3. When TV became popular, the studio's switched to wider screens to compete with TV. So they developed 2.35:1 and 1.85:1 formats. When HDTV was being developed, they decided on 16x9, which was halfway in between 1.85:1 and 1:37:1 so the difference wouldn't be so noticeable. Now, most films TV shows and some movies are shot in 16x9 so they won't have to have black bars on the top and bottom to show them correctly.

      Here is a link for more information.

      http://widescreenadvocate.org/whatis.html

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        Re: HD movies not widescreen

        So I found the following page with states that 101 Dalmatians and some of Disney's other animated movies were made in Academy Ratio, but were "matted down" to a 1.75:1 ratio to allow theaters that couldn't display Academy Ratio films to project the movies. I can't confirm it, but it would explain why it's in 1.37:1.


        After Sleeping Beauty though, things get somewhat tricky. By 1961 when 101 Dalmatians was released to theaters, widescreen had already become the norm for films. Why then are the DVDs for 101 Dalmatians (1961), The Sword in the Stone (1963), The Jungle Book (1967), The Aristocats (1970), Robin Hood (1973), The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh (1977), and The Fox and the Hound (1981) all "Fullscreen" 1.33:1 DVDs?! Some of these DVDs even contain the "This film has been modified from its original version" warning that informs the viewer when there is Pan & Scan video version of a widescreen film.
        So are these seven films compromised on DVD? Are these DVDs the much-loathed Pan & Scan? Well, the answer seems to be no. Through the late 1970s, Disney Feature Animation was creating their animated films in the familiar 1.37:1 Academy ratio. By the 1960s, many theaters apparently did not have the capabilities to exhibit 1.37:1 films in their proper ratio, so these were likely matted down normally to a 1.75:1 ratio. Essentially, the animation frames were cropped on top and bottom for widescreen viewing. Now the animators who were creating these films in the Academy Ratio must have known this and safe-guarded the frame so that it would be suitable to view with a small portion on the top and bottom of the frame hidden, for theatrical display. The video releases for these films all displayed the full frame of animation, as created by the Animation Department. The DVD releases do the same, and since the DVDs provide the films in their original aspect ratio they were animated for, there is nothing to complain about. These titles have been called into questions by several DVD and animation enthusiasts, without much in the way of a definitive answer. Sources for information on the ratios of these films are hard to come by, and those that exist rely upon what is submitted by any individual, whether they know or are guessing. It is my belief that these fullscreen DVD releases are likely acceptable, from what I have read, what I have seen, and Disney's method of releasing animated films on DVD.
        http://www.dvdizzy.com/oar.htm

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          Re: HD movies not widescreen

          Originally posted by airtas View Post
          I purchased 101 Dalmatians and the old Batman TV series in HD.
          Is it normal that it isn't widescreen? I thought if something was in HD it was supposed to be widescreen? Both examples are from the 1960s.

          Since they are 4x3 does that mean the resolution is technically less than widescreen?
          Batman is from the 60s. 16 x 9 TVs did not exist until the late 90s. Therefore Batman was not shot in widescreen as no series was shot in widescreeen in those days. Therefore Batman is indeed in the correct aspect ratio.

          Some TV stations that air old shows currently zoom in to make the picture fit in a widescreen 16 x 9 frame without the black bars on the left and right. This is downright maddening as it ruins the picture. People's heads are often cut off and it just looks like garbage. This is why The Simpsons on FXX is unwatchable. So Vudu is showing Batman the right way.

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            Re: HD movies not widescreen

            The last time 101 Dalmatians was released in theaters, it was shown in 1.33 with black side bars.

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              Re: HD movies not widescreen

              Originally posted by airtas View Post
              I thought if something was in HD it was supposed to be widescreen?
              High Definition material can be any aspect ratio. The terminology of 1080p and 720p refer to the height of the video, so 4x3 material in 1080p is 1440x1080 pixels and 720p is 960x720 pixels.

              Originally posted by airtas View Post
              Since they are 4x3 does that mean the resolution is technically less than widescreen?
              The resolution is the same, the images are just different shapes (aka different aspect ratios).

              The original aspect ratio is nearly always the preferred format so you can see the film or television show as intended

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                Originally posted by airtas View Post
                I purchased 101 Dalmatians and the old Batman TV series in HD.
                Is it normal that it isn't widescreen? I thought if something was in HD it was supposed to be widescreen? Both examples are from the 1960s.

                Since they are 4x3 does that mean the resolution is technically less than widescreen?
                A lot of people are talking about the aspect ratio when recorded. However, I bought both Seinfeld and Fresh Prince and they are both in box format, and they both are HDX. However, on cable they weren’t like that once high def came out. Seinfeld on TBS is way better looking quality and the format is widescreen so why not on Vudu? My biggest problem is Vudu doesn’t show you the format it’s going to be in prior to purchasing. Needless to say, when I pulled up Seinfeld I was disappointed

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                  This can be a bit confusing. With shows like Friends when it were originally aired on TV and then later released on DVD it was 4:3 'full screen'.

                  On the set it were shot on film that was actually widescreen but the directors framed the shots for the boxed fullscreen format. When it was later released in Hi def they went back to the original camera negatives and rescanned as widescreen in full resolution. The results are brilliant but they had to reedit every episode from scratch and re-add titles, etc.

                  The bad news was there was often crew members or microphones that were left on the set that were filmed in the 'non-safe' widescreen elements as they never imagined they would be used. So when creating the hidef versions there are sometimes shots that require digital cleanup for this reason. And sometimes the original video elements cannot be located so they have to zoom and upres the original 4:3 video for some shots. Its just how it goes.

                  Shows like Star Trek TNG were remastered into HD and kept at the 4:3 ratio. That made the job a bit easier for them

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