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As of Jan 2020, what are the audio/video bitrates for Vudu 4K UHD streams?

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    As of Jan 2020, what are the audio/video bitrates for Vudu 4K UHD streams?

    Hello VUDU team,

    I'm looking into the best streaming platform for 4K movies. I'm using the native VUDU app on an LG OLED 4K TV.

    As of Jan 2020, what are the audio/video bitrates for VUDU 4K UHD streams?
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    Anyone have intel on this^ ?

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      #3
      It hasn't changed since it was introduced. Still tops out at 15Mbps.

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        Originally posted by bestquality View Post
        It hasn't changed since it was introduced. Still tops out at 15Mbps.
        Thanks for chiming in Bestquality.

        Wow still at 15 mbps. I was hoping things would've improved by now. I've been digging around and it seems some other platforms can maintain an avg bitrate of about 25 mbps on streaming 4K.

        I do hope that VUDU will improve the video/audio bitrates in the near future.

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          I don't understand this. Why would the movie studios provide different bitrate encodes to different providers? I don't believe they would. I believe the file is the same no matter who the provider is. The bitrate to which it arrives to your device is subject to so many factors. for bestquality, it happens to be 15Mpbs. Unless of course the provider caps outgoing bandwidth with some kind of throttle or QoS settings, I can believe that part.

          Unfortunately, i have no way of determining what my bitrate might be.

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            #6
            Yeah, I would like to know how to determine the bitrate. Does someone have a method they can share?

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              #7
              If you go through an AVR, the AVR apps will sometimes show the audio/video bitrates. I believe my Denon app does that but it's been a long time sine I checked.

              389 UHD
              765 HDX
              3 SD

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                Originally posted by SinGA View Post
                I don't understand this. Why would the movie studios provide different bitrate encodes to different providers? I don't believe they would. I believe the file is the same no matter who the provider is. The bitrate to which it arrives to your device is subject to so many factors. for bestquality, it happens to be 15Mpbs. Unless of course the provider caps outgoing bandwidth with some kind of throttle or QoS settings, I can believe that part.

                Unfortunately, i have no way of determining what my bitrate might be.
                Sorry, but most of this is not true. Different providers do get different versions of films, you can see this with different aspect ratios at different providers. And different providers do stream at different but rates. 15 is not the best quality or the maximum.

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                  Originally posted by Grey Ghost View Post

                  Sorry, but most of this is not true. Different providers do get different versions of films, you can see this with different aspect ratios at different providers. And different providers do stream at different but rates. 15 is not the best quality or the maximum.
                  That's crazy! I only use Vudu as a provider, so I wouldnt know. And, I usually watch the disc, and use Vudu as a "backup".

                  Another +1 for physical media.

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                    Originally posted by SinGA View Post
                    I don't understand this. Why would the movie studios provide different bitrate encodes to different providers? I don't believe they would. I believe the file is the same no matter who the provider is. The bitrate to which it arrives to your device is subject to so many factors. for bestquality, it happens to be 15Mpbs.
                    Each provider has their own encoding specs for customer delivery. Vudu's UHD target is 15Mbps. That's not my connection, that's the highest bitrate Vudu will deliver to customers today. I don't think the OP was asking about their own connection but Vudu's specs generally.

                    Eeach provider has certain customer devices that need to work and maximum bitrates they're willing to pay for whether it's storage costs for their content delivery network or bandwidth costs. Vudu's 9Mbps bitrates for HDX were better than the industry for a long time but they've fallen behind the competition when it comes to UHD.

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                      Originally posted by bestquality View Post

                      Each provider has their own encoding specs for customer delivery. Vudu's UHD target is 15Mbps. That's not my connection, that's the highest bitrate Vudu will deliver to customers today. I don't think the OP was asking about their own connection but Vudu's specs generally.

                      Eeach provider has certain customer devices that need to work and maximum bitrates they're willing to pay for whether it's storage costs for their content delivery network or bandwidth costs. Vudu's 9Mbps bitrates for HDX were better than the industry for a long time but they've fallen behind the competition when it comes to UHD.
                      i'm a storage admin so i understand what you're saying. that's crazy if that's the way it works. another +1 for physical media.

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                        Physical media will always beat out streaming media, provided there is physical media with what you are looking at. When just looking at streaming providers, Vudu does do better than Amazon Prime (average bitrate 10 Mbps and peak 13 Mbps) and FandangoNow (average bitrate somewhere over 10 Mbps but no Dolby Vision or Atmos). Apple TV (ITunes Movies) tops the list at average bitrate of 25 Mbps, Movies Anywhere also at 25 Mbps, and even Netflix averages 17 Mbps, and while it is positive that Vudu does both Dolby Vision and Dolby Atmos, while their target may be 15 Mbps, from what I have seen from independent testing puts Vudu averaging right at 14 Mbps, putting them behind Apple, Movies Anywhere, and Netflix. With over 10 Mbps between the top and the bottom, there's no special equipment needed to see the difference as it becomes obvious when comparing. While putting out all these numbers, they are all relative because it is not taking into consideration TV brand and format, what box or format is being used to stream. There are so many variables involved 100 different people could conduct the same tests as these numbers come from and the numbers would skew up and down based on equipment brand, etc. etc. etc. Personally, I am a big fan of Vudu's Disc + Digital as I try to maintain both physical media library and digital libraries as well, and because of that, Vudu comes out on top for me, because I can buy a new release in 4K and get the digital early and the disc on release day, which is a pretty good service.

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                          Bitrate is not the definitely of quality, that's just the amount of data that your movie requires. There are many different video encoding technolgies and the more advanced ones boast of greater detail at the same, or lower, bitrate. Check out HEVEC (H.265), VP9, H.264, MPEG-2 etc. Visual quality does not have a perfectly trusted, argument-ending objective measurement. There are some, but what it comes down to is your preference and the visual experience you have as a user. Has anyone done a double-blind objective side-by-side comparison?

                          I have an anecodtal story. Just the other day I was watching The Hobbit, which I have not seen since it was in theaters. I bought it on iTunes and I was excited to watch it in 4K, since it was just released. However, on iTunes I was dissappointed in the 4K version, it just was blurrier than I expected. This is admitedly just an opinion. I watched almost to the end, still disappointed. I checked a YouTube video comparing Disney+ to 4K Blueray on an OLED TV (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbN00Sm0Bsg&t=26s). But I remember HD+ on Vudu and all my movies are shared through MoviesAnywhere, so I picked up where I had left off on Vudu. And the quality was immediately noticable to me. There were more highlights and sharp details. The picture wasn't as blurry and it appeared to have sharper edges around hair. So I would say Vudu has the best UHD video I have seen, from this example.

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                            Had similar results on the Apple app. 4K streams look very soft to me. Same movie on Vudu looks sharper and has better colors. Sticking with VUDU for digital viewing

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                              Originally posted by SinGA View Post
                              I don't understand this. Why would the movie studios provide different bitrate encodes to different providers? I don't believe they would. I believe the file is the same no matter who the provider is. The bitrate to which it arrives to your device is subject to so many factors. for bestquality, it happens to be 15Mpbs. Unless of course the provider caps outgoing bandwidth with some kind of throttle or QoS settings, I can believe that part.

                              Unfortunately, i have no way of determining what my bitrate might be.
                              I believe that is correct- the studios provide the exact same master files to all retail providers (and its a very large file- probably the equivalent of the physical UHD Disc and then the retailers individually create their own encoded files at their various bitrates, etc.

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