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    Competition to Vudu offerings

    Competition is good. I was able to rent Oceans 13 on TiVo HD for $1.99.

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    Competition to Vudu offerings

    Originally posted by mag12203 View Post
    Competition is good. I was able to rent Oceans 13 on TiVo HD for $1.99.
    But not in HD correct?

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      #3
      Originally posted by mag12203 View Post
      Competition is good. I was able to rent Oceans 13 on TiVo HD for $1.99.
      Just curious, what was the lag time between rental and watching?

      Is that the typical price for a Tivo HD rental, or is it being used as a loss leader?

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        Re: Competition to Vudu offerings

        Originally posted by mbustin View Post
        But not in HD correct?
        Correct. Its just the price is right.

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          Re: Competition to Vudu offerings

          Originally posted by Nded View Post
          Just curious, what was the lag time between rental and watching?

          Is that the typical price for a Tivo HD rental, or is it being used as a loss leader?
          It was on their special along with Evan Almighty.

          The lag time was about a week because I bought the TIVO HD last week and I saw the rental price was the same as Vudu.

          The movie is being downloaded now so I don't know how long it takes to record.
          Last edited by Nded; 12-05-2007, 01:00 PM. Reason: title correction for forked thread

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            Re: Competition to Vudu Offerings

            Originally posted by mag12203 View Post
            It was on their special along with Evan Almighty.

            The lag time was about a week because I bought the TIVO HD last week and I saw the rental price was the same as Vudu.

            The movie is being downloaded now so I don't know how long it takes to record.
            Please keep us posted on this.

            1. I want to know how long the download takes
            2. I want to know what the viewing window is
            3. I want to know what the regular rental price is
            Last edited by Nded; 12-05-2007, 01:02 PM. Reason: title correction for forked thread

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              Re: Competition to Vudu Offerings

              Originally posted by Nded View Post
              I want to know how long the download takes
              I believe that after their last SW update, you don't need to wait for the entire movie to be downloaded to being watching it. My guess is that it will work exactly like their multi-room sharing feature works. That is, you can start watching it immediately, but if you "catch up" to the end of the buffer, it pauses and gives you a message. You then have to push play to resume. That's just my guess based on what I have seen in the multi-room sharing feature. That wouldn't be a good way to watch a movie though.
              Last edited by Nded; 12-05-2007, 01:02 PM. Reason: title correction for forked thread

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                Re: Competition to Vudu Offerings

                Originally posted by redwein View Post
                I believe that after their last SW update, you don't need to wait for the entire movie to be downloaded to being watching it. My guess is that it will work exactly like their multi-room sharing feature works. That is, you can start watching it immediately, but if you "catch up" to the end of the buffer, it pauses and gives you a message. You then have to push play to resume. That's just my guess based on what I have seen in the multi-room sharing feature. That wouldn't be a good way to watch a movie though.
                Those multi-room sharing problems never happen on my ReplayTVs...
                Last edited by Nded; 12-05-2007, 01:03 PM. Reason: title correction for forked thread

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                  Re: Competition to Vudu Offerings

                  No one seemed to answer your questions (and prior ones of others) and since I have both TiVo HD and a VUDU, I am uniquely qualified (or so the voice in my head tells me):

                  TiVo HD/Unbox details:

                  Download lag is typically about 15 minutes (that is what Unbox tells you to expect, although I normally see downloads begin in about 3-5 minutes). You can watch instantly, but if your internet connection is slow, viewing could catch up with downloading and cause issues (I have never had any).

                  Download can take a while, although my experience with TV shows is about 1 minute per 1 minute of video. It is pretty fast - obviously dependent upon your internet connection.

                  TV Shows and movies to own stay in your account forever... they can be downloaded to your box, but take up hard drive space... you can delete them from the TiVo and re-download them again at a later time.

                  Movie rentals are available for 30 days post watching... then you have 24 hours from the start of watching to finish (just like VUDU). If you delete a movie you rented from your TiVo box before you start watching and before the 30 days, you are SOL... I learned the hard way that I could not re-download.

                  Typical rental pricing is $2.99 to $3.99 just like VUDU, but Amazon Unbox does do a weekend sale every week where it puts 4 or 5 movies out there for $1.99 rental... the movies change weekly, and are typically, but not always, newer releases.

                  Any other questions?

                  Originally posted by Nded View Post
                  Please keep us posted on this.

                  1. I want to know how long the download takes
                  2. I want to know what the viewing window is
                  3. I want to know what the regular rental price is
                  Last edited by Nded; 12-05-2007, 01:03 PM. Reason: title correction for forked thread
                  - Scott

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                    Re: Competition to Vudu Offerings

                    Originally posted by sgoldblatt View Post
                    TV Shows and movies to own stay in your account forever... they can be downloaded to your box, but take up hard drive space... you can delete them from the TiVo and re-download them again at a later time.
                    There are some restrictions to this where you won't be able to re-download a movie for an indeterminate period of time that appears to be at the discretion of the studios.

                    This is from the Amzaon Unbox FAQ:

                    http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/custom...0111510&#space

                    Note the quote:

                    While our licensing agreements with some vendors may occasionally require that we restrict redownload of certain videos, your purchased videos will generally be available for download again at a future time from Your Media Library. More information on licensing and download restrictions is available in the Unbox Video: Terms of Use.
                    Last edited by Nded; 12-05-2007, 01:04 PM. Reason: title correction for forked thread

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                      Re: Competition to Vudu Offerings

                      Originally posted by redwein View Post

                      Note the quote:

                      While our licensing agreements with some vendors may occasionally require that we restrict redownload of certain videos, your purchased videos will generally be available for download again at a future time from Your Media Library. More information on licensing and download restrictions is available in the Unbox Video: Terms of Use.
                      Thats the studio black out period. They do this with all VOD services when they have movies on rotation on channels on cable. Once its off rotation the movie usually comes back. My biggest gripe about this is that NetFlix and Blockbuster don't have to pull their DVD's when the studios enact this.
                      Last edited by Nded; 12-05-2007, 01:04 PM. Reason: title correction for forked thread

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                        Re: Competition to Vudu Offerings

                        Originally posted by RonV View Post
                        Thats the studio black out period. They do this with all VOD services when they have movies on rotation on channels on cable. Once its off rotation the movie usually comes back. My biggest gripe about this is that NetFlix and Blockbuster don't have to pull their DVD's when the studios enact this.
                        RonV - that is a good point... seemingly the "physical" media industry (ie. Blockbuster, Netflix, etc.) is above these restriction periods because of the fact that they have actual "physical" media... is there a possibility that they have their own rules? or is it just too difficult for Netflix and Blockbuster to police having these titles "pulled" from their library during a blackout period, so they just leave everything?
                        Last edited by Nded; 12-05-2007, 01:05 PM. Reason: title correction for forked thread
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                          Re: Competition to Vudu Offerings

                          Originally posted by sgoldblatt View Post
                          RonV - that is a good point... seemingly the "physical" media industry (ie. Blockbuster, Netflix, etc.) is above these restriction periods because of the fact that they have actual "physical" media... is there a possibility that they have their own rules? or is it just too difficult for Netflix and Blockbuster to police having these titles "pulled" from their library during a blackout period, so they just leave everything?
                          That's exactly right, there are completely different "rules" for physical media than for electronic or televised distribution. If you think about it, Blockbuster OWNS the disks, so while the studios could try to exert pressure on them, they can't legally prevent them from using the discs lawfully, as there is no license required to use the original disc. However, electronic distribution or airing requires licensing the rights from the content owner, so it is completely at the content owner's discretion how and when to grant those distribution rights. But the logistics probably weigh into it as well...remember DIVX? Not DivX the codec, but DIVX, the distribution scheme where the discs would only play on approved players, and only for a limited amount of time. But physical media isn't well suited to that model, so it died a well-deserved death. But that was the studios' attempt to impose their licenses on physical media, and we know how well that went over.
                          Last edited by Nded; 12-05-2007, 01:05 PM. Reason: title correction for forked thread

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                            Re: Competition to Vudu Offerings

                            Originally posted by MaxH View Post
                            If you think about it, Blockbuster OWNS the disks, so while the studios could try to exert pressure on them, they can't legally prevent them from using the discs lawfully, as there is no license required to use the original disc.
                            This isn't quite right. Blockbuster may own the disk but they are most certainly covered by a license that gives them the right to rent it to others and that license can have restrictions. Don't forget, the studios make money off of the rentals too. An individual, for instance, isn't allowed to start a business where they sell tickets to others to watch movies that they own personal copies of. Every time money is made off of a movie's rental or showing, the studios and the artists get their cut.
                            Last edited by Nded; 12-05-2007, 01:06 PM. Reason: title correction for forked thread

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