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    Resolution and filesize?

    What resolution are the HD titles in? IS it 720P, 1080i, or 1080P24?
    Also how much space do they use for a typical 120 minute movie?

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    Re: Resolution and filesize?

    I believe it has been posted that the HD is in 1080p24 and the file sizes are ~4GB.

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      #3
      Re: Resolution and filesize?

      Originally posted by redwein View Post
      I believe it has been posted that the HD is in 1080p24 and the file sizes are ~4GB.
      That's around the same sizes as Xbox Live 720P movies with VC1.

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        #4
        Re: Resolution and filesize?

        Vudu doesn't use VC1 but H.264 which is a very efficient compression scheme.

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          Re: Resolution and filesize?

          Originally posted by NA9D View Post
          Vudu doesn't use VC1 but H.264 which is a very efficient compression scheme.
          Yes they are both very efficient. I would think they would be close to the same file sizes for similar compression.

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            Re: Resolution and filesize?

            Originally posted by aaronwt View Post
            Yes they are both very efficient. I would think they would be close to the same file sizes for similar compression.
            I think VC1 is similar to MPEG-2 or at best MPEG-4. H.264 is 2x better than MPEG4.

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              Re: Resolution and filesize?

              Originally posted by aaronwt View Post
              Yes they are both very efficient. I would think they would be close to the same file sizes for similar compression.
              Why "think" when you can Google instead? http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=vc1+vs+h.264

              The article at http://www.venlogic.com/vl2/tools/in...ls_Detail_h264 an interesting first read - there's lots more for you to read on the Google search I suggested. Bottom line, they are not the same.

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                Re: Resolution and filesize?

                Originally posted by aaronwt View Post
                What resolution are the HD titles in? IS it 720P, 1080i, or 1080P24?
                Also how much space do they use for a typical 120 minute movie?
                What you should be concerned with is the quality, not the resolution. While 1080p is a catchy word these days, 1080p is nothing more than the resolution at which you watch a movie, which could mean 1920 x 1080 or 1440 x 1080 or even 1024 x 1080. However, when people refer to 1080p they mostly are referring to 'Full HD' which means 1920 x 1080, which has nothing whatsoever to do with quality of the video. The bitrate is as much or even more critical for High Def. Picture Quality. Although, there is debate on how much bitrate plays into quality with the new MPEG-4/H.264, as they are known to present excellent quality videos, even at lower bit rates.

                Just remeber that even with 'Full HD' movie at 1920 x 1080 lines of resolution, if compressed to much, you could introduce so many motion artifacts that the movie wouldn't even be worth watching, even so technically it is 1080p. In other words, 1080p is no guarantee of a high quality movie.

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                  Re: Resolution and filesize?

                  Originally posted by rstone View Post
                  What you should be concerned with is the quality, not the resolution. While 1080p is a catchy word these days, 1080p is nothing more than the resolution at which you watch a movie, which could mean 1920 x 1080 or 1440 x 1080 or even 1024 x 1080. However, when people refer to 1080p they mostly are referring to 'Full HD' which means 1920 x 1080, which has nothing whatsoever to do with quality of the video. The bitrate is as much or even more critical for High Def. Picture Quality. Although, there is debate on how much bitrate plays into quality with the new MPEG-4/H.264, as they are known to present excellent quality videos, even at lower bit rates.

                  Just remeber that even with 'Full HD' movie at 1920 x 1080 lines of resolution, if compressed to much, you could introduce so many motion artifacts that the movie wouldn't even be worth watching, even so technically it is 1080p. In other words, 1080p is no guarantee of a high quality movie.
                  Excellent summary! What you have here is the groundwork for the 1080p Display warning label that should be put on every monitor. This would be the equivalent of the warning labels that we already see on other products (Cigs, matresses, Automobiles). We could require the customers to read and sign this statement before the no-knowledge retail sales people push the monitor of the month out the door.

                  Slightly OT: I amost always think of the movie Spinal Tap and the amplifers that went to 11 whenever folks talk about thier monitors highest resolution. What matters most is what is going IN (i.e. the content), not the arbitrarily measured output!

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                    Re: Resolution and filesize?

                    Rstone provided an excellent summary *bows*

                    With regards to Vudu, looking at the file size and given good quality, I am skeptical that the movies are in 1080p (would have to be a poor bit rate). It's probably 720p that is being upscaled to 1080i and 1080p/24 by the box.

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                      Re: Resolution and filesize?

                      No, the movies are in 1080p/24 - that's what I have been told.

                      If you look at the bit rates...

                      1080p/24 = 1920x1080 = 2.0736 Million pixels (bits) * 24 fps = 49.7664 Mb/sec raw data rate.

                      720p/60 = 1280 x 720 = 921,600 pixes (bits) * 60 = 55.296 Mb/sec raw data rate.

                      The 24 frames per second of 1080p/24 drastically lowers the raw data rate into the compressor.

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                        #12
                        Re: Resolution and filesize?

                        Ah, so that's why they only do 1080p/24?

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                          #13
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                          Originally posted by Rusdude View Post
                          Ah, so that's why they only do 1080p/24?
                          Well, all movies are shot at 24 frames per second. It gives a more accurate representation of the movie...I think that's the big reason. A 1080i/30 data stream can easily be upconverted to 1080p/60 w/o any loss of resolution. The 24 fps is what all the high end sets have as they try to more faithfully reproduce the movie experience.

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                            #14
                            Re: Resolution and filesize?

                            Here is a pretty accurate post of what 1080p24 is. The issue is "Judder" from 3:2 pulldown or mismatched refresh rates:

                            http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/sh...t_1080p24/1015

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                              Re: Resolution and filesize?

                              And the added benefit is that the data rate is less as well!

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