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    News from CES

    Warner announced that 9 million account were created before the end of the year. Earlier in December, it was predicted that 8 million would be created by the end of the year, so it grew at a faster pace than expected. Hopefully this keeps up.

    http://www.homemediamagazine.com/war...gistered-29260

    Also, it has been reported that MGM will join Ultraviolet when vudu launches it's D2D at home service.

    http://www.homemediamagazine.com/wal...tal-home-29264

    A very good day for Ultraviolet news. Hopefully some more things are announced this week.

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    Originally posted by echopulse View Post
    ...it has been reported that MGM will join Ultraviolet when vudu launches it's D2D at home service.
    MGM has many great titles, this is great news!

    I hope this will include Unitied Artists and Orion Pictures. I think MGM owns these studios and the rights to distribute their movies. That would give us some of Clint Eastwood's westerns, the first two Terminator movies, and Silence of the Lambs, and First Blood. I am also hoping that this will allow the Bond films to be added to D2D some day.

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      They hold full rights to United Artists, such as the James Bond films.

      I'm less certain about certain other films that MGM distributes in the US like This Is Spinal Tap, as StudioCanal owns the rights to Embassy Pictures and a few other defunct producers.

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        Originally posted by echopulse View Post
        Warner announced that 9 million account were created before the end of the year. Earlier in December, it was predicted that 8 million would be created by the end of the year, so it grew at a faster pace than expected. Hopefully this keeps up.

        http://www.homemediamagazine.com/war...gistered-29260

        Also, it has been reported that MGM will join Ultraviolet when vudu launches it's D2D at home service.

        http://www.homemediamagazine.com/wal...tal-home-29264

        A very good day for Ultraviolet news. Hopefully some more things are announced this week.
        Yeah, like the deployment of CFF........

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          Originally posted by canadien37 View Post
          Yeah, like the deployment of CFF........
          CFF is currently being tested in with business-to-business (or backend) software. A scheule from couple of motnhs ago said it's supposed to be released to client-facing companies (like Vudu) for them to start implementing next month I think.

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            Originally posted by sbuberl View Post
            CFF is currently being tested in with business-to-business (or backend) software. A scheule from couple of motnhs ago said it's supposed to be released to client-facing companies (like Vudu) for them to start implementing next month I think.
            thanks for that info.......

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              With all the reporting about the new at home D2D service, I have begun to question some of it. Some sites are reporting that any movie from participating studio's will be eligible. I doubt this is true, but I do hope they vastly increase the number of titles from what is currently being offered. Maybe they will since I think this is a pretty big way to encourage UltraViolet adoption. Here is an article from USAToday

              http://www.usatoday.com/story/techno...p-ces/1817125/

              According to the article, a wal-mart spokesperson says they let people bring in VHS tapes to convert as well. Perhaps someone should try it out. I don't have any VHS tapes myself, or I would.

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                Originally posted by echopulse View Post
                According to the article, a wal-mart spokesperson says they let people bring in VHS tapes to convert as well. Perhaps someone should try it out. I don't have any VHS tapes myself, or I would.
                I asked about that a few weeks ago and got "beat up" for asking. I didn't think it was so far fetched to think that converting our VHS tapes (and other types of media) to digital was acceptable.

                I finally just took a couple in with some of my DVDs to see what would happen. I explained that UltraViolet allows any title authorized by the studio and VHS should be compared to SD format and as long as my movie was on the list they should accept VHS as proof that I owned the movie. I told them that right on the UV website it says that we can store our DVDs & Blu-rays in the cloud with Walmart Entertainment's Disc-to-Digital program. Then I basically told them that I knew that those were VHS tapes but I could convert them to DVD in SD format and come back with both the tape and converted DVD, but I would rather save myself the time and hastle of all that and have you just verify that I own a copy of the movie. There were two people in the photo lab that day and they both agreed.

                I have 6 more tapes that I am hanging on to until these titles are added to Vudu.

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                  You're a heck of a salesman, tfisher. You successfully rewrote the rules set forth by Vudu (this time, and with no authority to do so). I'd count that as a bonus. If you encounter a WalMart associate who is more familiar with the program and denies your request, he or she would be correct. VHS tapes are not part of the program. There have been times I've sweet talked people to get my way when I knew I shouldn't, too. Just don't count on it every time, even if you did sucker someone before.

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                    Originally posted by jeffpn View Post
                    You're a heck of a salesman, tfisher. You successfully rewrote the rules set forth by Vudu (this time, and with no authority to do so). I'd count that as a bonus. If you encounter a WalMart associate who is more familiar with the program and denies your request, he or she would be correct. VHS tapes are not part of the program. There have been times I've sweet talked people to get my way when I knew I shouldn't, too. Just don't count on it every time, even if you did sucker someone before.
                    I wonder why USA Today also agreed with me?

                    I took "movies" I own to Walmart and they did what they said they would do. The only step I may have omitted was first converting my VHS tapes to DVD since UV does say that DVD and Blue Ray are allowed. But at the same time, UV does NOT say that we CANNOT use VHS. Sometimes what is not stated is just as important as what is stated.

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                      Re: News from CES

                      There is a price for converting DVDs, and there is a price for converting Blu Rays. Why would you assume any other media would be included? Vudu sets the rules for the service they provide, not anyone else. There is no price for Laser Discs, there is no price for Beta, there is no price for Hi-8. You can say what ought to be all you want, but it's Vudu's program, not yours. If you were able to sweet talk the naive associate to convert a VHS tape, good for you. Just don't expect it. What are you going to do if they drop the in store part, and have conversion done at home, like Best Buy is doing? I'd like to see you cram a VHS tape in your DVD-ROM!!

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                        Originally posted by jeffpn View Post
                        There is a price for converting DVDs, and there is a price for converting Blu Rays. Why would you assume any other media would be included? Vudu sets the rules for the service they provide, not anyone else. There is no price for Laser Discs, there is no price for Beta, there is no price for Hi-8. You can say what ought to be all you want, but it's Vudu's program, not yours. If you were able to sweet talk the naive associate to convert a VHS tape, good for you. Just don't expect it. What are you going to do if they drop the in store part, and have conversion done at home, like Best Buy is doing? I'd like to see you cram a VHS tape in your DVD-ROM!!
                        I think that is where the misunderstanding is, with the fee. What exactly is the $2 fee for? It's my understanding that when you buy a new UV title that comes with a code then you already have "digital rights" to that movie. For UV titles available for D2D the studio has agreed to allow us to purchase those "digital rights" for movies we've previously purchased for $2. The fee has NOTHING to do with the media being converted from. It's a fee we pay for ADDITIONAL rights to the movie we already own....digitial rights.

                        There's an additional fee to upgrade the format from SD to HD.

                        They will not drop the in-store D2D because there are many discs (and other media of course) that cannot be used in an at-home program and not everyone has a DVD drive in their computer.

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                          Originally posted by tfisher View Post
                          It's a fee we pay for ADDITIONAL rights to the movie we already own....digitial rights.
                          IF you own the movie on appropriate media. You certainly do take a lot of liberties here. I don't see Vudu or UV talking about any types of media other than Blu Ray or DVD. Why would you assume you can extrapolate your own rights?

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                            Originally posted by jeffpn View Post
                            IF you own the movie on appropriate media. You certainly do take a lot of liberties here. I don't see Vudu or UV talking about any types of media other than Blu Ray or DVD. Why would you assume you can extrapolate your own rights?
                            Would you say that as an owner of a VHS tape you would have the right to watch that tape? Would you say that as an owner of the VHS tape (and based on what copyright laws say and don't say) you have the right to make backups of you VHS tape? If so, then would you say that making a DVD copy of that VHS tape for your own personal use is legal?

                            My answer to these questions is "yes". Since my VHS is in SD format then I should be able to pay the $2 fee to have digital rights to my SD movie.

                            You are correct that they do not mention other types of media. Nowhere do they say that these are the only types of media that can be used. In other words, they don't say we cannot buy digital rights to SD VHS tapes or HD VHS tapes.

                            Why would I assume I can extrapolate my own rights? I don't think I am. I am simply exercising my rights as the owner of these VHS movies and buying the additional digital rights that the industry is offering.

                            Why would you want to hastle me for asking for something? Why does it really matter to you? Let Walmart and Vudu answer for themselves! In fact they have...it's perfectly fine to convert VHS to digital as seen by the USA Today article and as seen by by local store here. If it wasn't then they would have told me "no"...but they didn't.

                            Sure, other stores may have a differnet reponse...but if the customer is persistent enough then I bet they too will take your $2.

                            Okay...enought said by me on the subject because I know that I can buy the digital rights to VHS movies.

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                              Re: News from CES

                              Originally posted by tfisher View Post
                              Okay...enought said by me on the subject because I know that I can buy the digital rights to VHS movies.
                              Only because you've been able to sweet talk the associate.

                              It doesn't matter what you say, and what USA Today says (link please). Vudu, UV, and the studios are the only entities that define the extent of what is to be eligible for the D2D program. Period. Just because you slipped one (or nine, or whatever) past them, doesn't entitle you to rewrite the terms of the program.

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