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    #46
    Re: News from CES

    Originally posted by lujan View Post
    It's never too late to learn how to spell unless you believe in the old adage that "you can't teach an old dog new tricks"?
    Well you are right...you can't teach an old dog new tricks...when I was in school we watched movies on VHS tapes and were taught to spell blue "b l u e"

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      #47
      Re: News from CES

      No doubt there are employees that don't have a clue, and that's how you get quoted miss-information and staff that allow things that are not intended.

      It is plain and simple: if VHS and other non DVD and Blu-ray media is applicable in this service it would be advertised as such, and it be covered in all pricing, training and procedures.

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        #48
        Re: News from CES

        Originally posted by tfisher View Post
        So following your logic I have broken the rules by even converting DVDs and Blu-rays since I had to basically educate them on that whole process as well? ...

        If you don't like it then stop your whining and take it up with Walmart. I have only done what they are allowing us to do
        There is nothing in the UVVU user agreement about patrons helping Walmart employees to perform D2D in-store as there are no rules or system to convert a VHS Tape to UV. Therefore you have potentially violated your UV user agreement.
        Last edited by DanielH; 01-14-2013, 04:17 PM.

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          #49
          Re: News from CES

          Originally posted by E55KEV View Post
          There is nothing in the UVVU user agreement about patrons helping Walmart employees to perform D2D in-store as there are no rules or system to convert a VHS Tape to UV. Therefore you have potentially violated your UV user agreement.

          The biggest "whiner" or perhaps weiner (aka Dick) in this whole issue is you.
          Thanks for showing us all what I expected...you have no class dude.

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            #50
            Re: News from CES

            Originally posted by lostinva View Post
            No doubt there are employees that don't have a clue, and that's how you get quoted miss-information and staff that allow things that are not intended.

            It is plain and simple: if VHS and other non DVD and Blu-ray media is applicable in this service it would be advertised as such, and it be covered in all pricing, training and procedures.
            I am contacting Sarah to see if Walmart can future explain this. After all, I am just a consumer and she is a director at Walmart's corporate office. So she should know what the rules (both written and unwritten) really are...even though she has already told us.

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              #51
              Re: News from CES

              tfisher, just because a Wal-Mart employee allowed you to do something doesn't mean they had authorization. The licensing of the movies falls to the studios. They've given permission to Wal-Mart to license out digital copies to owners of dvds and blurays. Nowhere on any terms of service or acceptible used policy anyone has located exists a clause that suggests VHS is eligible for the redemption.

              Sorry, I get what you are staying about owning an SD version of the movie and the format is immaterial. I even agree with you from a moral and ideological point of view. The law is clear however, that different media are treated as separate licenses.

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                #52
                Re: News from CES

                Originally posted by tfisher View Post
                Thanks for showing us all what I expected...you have no class dude.
                Well isn't that the pot calling the kettle black? You can't make an argument without insulting me.

                Sarah Spencer confirmed nothing. It is entirely possible (and rather likely) that she was misinformed, misquoted, or spoke to early with her VHS comment. There is no price listed for VHS. There is a price for DVD, and a price for Bleu Ray (like the salad dressing). There is no price listed for any other type of media anywhere. It is presumptuous to assume that you are right when you can't find anything listed in any current details.

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                  #53
                  Re: News from CES

                  Originally posted by jonline View Post
                  They've given permission to Wal-Mart to license out digital copies to owners of dvds and blurays.
                  What is your source?

                  The law is clear however, that different media are treated as separate licenses.
                  Right, but digital is not really considered media. The D2D program is to buy ADDITIONAL rights to movies you ALREADY own the rights to watch...we are buing rights to watch them from the cloud.

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                    #54
                    Re: News from CES

                    Originally posted by jeffpn View Post
                    Well isn't that the pot calling the kettle black? You can't make an argument without insulting me.
                    Not entirely true. I have showed GREAT restraint in trying to put up with you attacking my ideas and requests to Vudu on this forum beginning with the very first post that I had on this forum. I don't expect you to agree with this, but I did want to respond.

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                      #55
                      Re: News from CES

                      Respond all you want. tfisher. This is a public forum. I'll do the same, but with no insults.

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                        #56
                        Re: News from CES

                        Originally posted by tfisher View Post
                        I am contacting Sarah to see if Walmart can future explain this. After all, I am just a consumer and she is a director at Walmart's corporate office. So she should know what the rules (both written and unwritten) really are...even though she has already told us.
                        you email will virtually be saying:

                        "Hi Sarah, I just violated my UV user agreement and could potentially have my UV Locker forfeited by fraudulently converting VHS movies that are not part of the D2D program which clearly states DVD or Blue-Ray (sp). Can you please say I am OK for doing so in order for me to prove my point to E55KEV on the VUDU forum - he called me a weiner after I called him a whiner."

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                          #57
                          Re: News from CES

                          Originally posted by jeffpn View Post
                          There is a price for DVD, and a price for Bleu Ray (like the salad dressing).
                          "Salad Dressing" - I am literally rolling on the floor laughing. I'm busting a gut and crying! That's freaking funny!

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                            #58
                            Re: News from CES

                            Originally posted by tfisher View Post
                            What is your source?
                            http://bit.ly/WSkNQM

                            Originally posted by tfisher View Post
                            The D2D program is to buy ADDITIONAL rights to movies you ALREADY own
                            Right. Additional rights to a movie you already own... in an eligible format. Is this program really that difficult to understand? Do you think laserdisc and beta qualify under the terms that are plastered all over the internet? VHS is the same, disregarding the unsubstantiated claim in usatoday.

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                              #59
                              Re: News from CES

                              Originally posted by jeffpn View Post
                              It is presumptuous to assume that you are right when you can't find anything listed in any current details.
                              I agree 100%. That is why I started asking questions last month about it and all I got was someone at Vudu stating their opinion or assumption. All I have been searching for is the truth.

                              It's easy to see how we could think that only DVDs or Blu/Blue/Bleu/Azul-rays are to be used for disc-to-digital. But when you read other statements that make references to "movies" with no regard to type of media and when you read what the D2D fee really is then perhaps you can see how I came to the conclusion that perhaps VHS and other forms of media could be used.

                              It's about the license agreements, not the name. Because the program has the world 'Disc' instead of 'movie', does this really mean we can only use movies stored on Disc? No, we have to understand the agreements made between the studios and the retailers. According to the retailer that owns Vudu (Walmart) we CAN use VHS tapes...so don't shoot the messenger.

                              Here is an article that specifically mentions converting old VHS tapes to Blu-ray quality for $5. The same Walmart source is named in it:

                              http://news.doddleme.com/television-...rays-and-dvds/

                              In case you didn't see the USA Today article posted earlier in this thread, here it is again. Walmart spokesperson tells us that disc-to-digit also includes VHS:

                              http://www.usatoday.com/story/techno...p-ces/1817125/

                              Or, you can read it here:
                              http://www.democratandchronicle.com/usatoday/article/1817125?odyssey=mod_sectionstories

                              So according to Walmart, we CAN convert VHS tapes. While nothing is in print that I've seen regarding LaserDisc or BetaMax (if anyone has any of these), I would be willing to bet that you may obtain the right to watch those movies in the cloud as well. Why? Because nothing was in print before this year about VHS either. But more importantly, because you already purchased the write to watch the movie when you bought the LaserDisc or whatever. Disc-to-digital is simply a way for you to purchase ADDITIONAL rights for the movies you already own.

                              I am all for following "the rules". But some people believe that rules should never be questioned. This whole thing really started when I basically asked "if" we could use VHS tapes and I requested that VHS be included if they were not currently allowed. Of course I was beat up for making such suggestions. But now that I am on the other side of this "argument" I continue to get beat up (that's fine, I can take it...I am not here seeking anyone's approval, just trying to help others). I can also follow the rules when they are clearly defined. Not everyone in this world is a sheep that will follow the guy in front of him over a cliff.

                              Anyway, I am planning to contact Walmart's spokesperson to get additional clarification and to see if they can issue another official statement right here on this forum. I am doing this to try to help those who have VHS tapes and LaserDiscs that they would like to watch in the cloud.

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                                #60
                                Re: News from CES

                                Originally posted by tfisher View Post
                                ... Here is an article that specifically mentions converting old VHS tapes to Blu-ray quality for $5. The same Walmart source is named in it:

                                http://news.doddleme.com/television-...rays-and-dvds/

                                In case you didn't see the USA Today article posted earlier in this thread, here it is again. Walmart spokesperson tells us that disc-to-digit also includes VHS:

                                http://www.usatoday.com/story/techno...p-ces/1817125/

                                Or, you can read it here:
                                http://www.democratandchronicle.com/usatoday/article/1817125?odyssey=mod_sectionstories
                                ...
                                Umm, no. Just because an online article quotes a WM representative, which by the way the quote never referenced VHS, and then the writer mentions VHS himself doesn't mean WM stated it.

                                That author needs to also learn how to proof read his columns as well.

                                The fee to have access to the cloud based copy is $2 for a blu-ray disc and an upgrade from VHS or Blu-ray to an online copy will run $5.
                                So, blu-ray to digital will run both $2 and $5. I think he meant to say the DVD would cost $5 if you want an HD UV copy.

                                As to the Democratic and Chronicle article, it's simply a repost of the USA Today article. The more an article is reposted doesn't make it more true.

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