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  • Walter-S_North_Carolina
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    Re: Keychest Shutdown - UV, iTunes, Amazon Left

    Originally posted by woodrowjr View Post
    I agree UV does create new customers, but it is a non-traditional business model. I think VuDU just needs to hold serve until it becomes more common to buy movies/TV digitally instead of buying them in the store.

    It is a pretty standard business model. For instance, a convenience store makes no money on the sale of gasoline. However, enough people come in and buy slurpies and coffee to keep the employees paid from the retail profit.

    In the case of Vudu, it is not that different. In both cases, the customer is paying for convenience. What brought them to the "store" in both cases is a commodity purchase.

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  • woodrowjr
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    Originally posted by echopulse View Post
    I think the point is that UV creates new customers for vudu, who in turn purchase from the site. I purchase as many titles EST as I can. I'm pretty sure the bandwidth is a few pennies per stream. So you would have to stream your movies many times before it would cost them.
    I agree UV does create new customers, but it is a non-traditional business model. I think VuDU just needs to hold serve until it becomes more common to buy movies/TV digitally instead of buying them in the store.

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  • echopulse
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    I think the point is that UV creates new customers for vudu, who in turn purchase from the site. I purchase as many titles EST as I can. I'm pretty sure the bandwidth is a few pennies per stream. So you would have to stream your movies many times before it would cost them.

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  • woodrowjr
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    Originally posted by OSUGrad2X View Post
    Speaking of revenue, this is a bit off topic but how does Vudu even make money from UV? I mean we buy movies from retail stores and so what and just redeem codes through vudu. Then our UV members stream through vudu without purchasing.

    They cant be making money from the chance one of us will buy a movie from them...right?? Of the 10 million UV members i wonder how many purchased from vudu?
    I am sure they make revenue from sales as well as rentals. I can see a future where we have to pay VUDU a fee for the right to steam our UV titles. VUDU was around and survived before UV so they must create enough revenue.

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  • OSUGrad2X
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    Speaking of revenue, this is a bit off topic but how does Vudu even make money from UV? I mean we buy movies from retail stores and so what and just redeem codes through vudu. Then our UV members stream through vudu without purchasing.

    They cant be making money from the chance one of us will buy a movie from them...right?? Of the 10 million UV members i wonder how many purchased from vudu?

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  • Walter-S_North_Carolina
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    Originally posted by echopulse View Post
    I do not think that Wal-mart get's all of the revenue from Disc to Digital. If they did the studio's would not approve it. I bet the studio's get at least 70% just like with other digital goods. If you upgrade 50 DVD's that's 70% of 250 dollars from movies you already own. I bet tons of people would have that many to convert just from Disney.

    you may be right. I had always assumed the nominal fee of $2/$5 was to compensate for administrative expense associated with making a title available on a VoD medium. How that amount is sliced up may be as you suggest and may in fact generate some new revenue for the studio.

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  • echopulse
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    I do not think that Wal-mart get's all of the revenue from Disc to Digital. If they did the studio's would not approve it. I bet the studio's get at least 70% just like with other digital goods. If you upgrade 50 DVD's that's 70% of 250 dollars from movies you already own. I bet tons of people would have that many to convert just from Disney.

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  • Walter-S_North_Carolina
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    Originally posted by woodrowjr View Post
    It is a very small step but I believe Disney will see D2D as lost revenue. When you look at D2D where does that revenue go (I really don't know).

    I think the initial studios allow D2D to get UV going. It's the first step for the consumer to ask, "why do I need these discs?" Once most of the collection is available digitally then the studios hope that the consumer will just buy their titles digitally which I would imagine they make a higher direct margin on. If not now then eventually.

    A lot of the ground work has been laid out for Disney. I think Disney could come in and say "hey we will join UV, but we are not going to allow our titles to be on D2D, the consumer will just have to repurchase, such as they do now when a new format emerges (ie DVD to blu-ray)."

    There is no new revenue for a D2D transaction. However, making a title from the catalog available into the VoD medium via UV does open the title up for new revenue from the new medium. The D2D is a side benifit of a title being in the UV system.

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  • Walter-S_North_Carolina
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    Originally posted by woodrowjr View Post
    If they allow a disc to digital it will be on their terms and probably be at a higher cost. Also I believe they would be very selective in terms of what titles they would allow.

    They probably would be less selective in their titles under the Touchstone brand however.

    Although I hope for them to just release all of their titles, I think Disney knows that their titles command a premium and people will pay more/again for their titles.

    There are legions of rat worshipers in this country who believe if the source is not the mouse, it is not worth their time. These folks are the dead weight the Disney brand carries and when the company chooses to move in a direction, they know they will command the loyalty of these devotees.

    It is a sad commentary on the reality of our society. Sad too, because I am ashamed to say I am one of the legions of rat worshipers too. They make such darn good movies.

    Aladdin - one, two, and three
    Toy story - one, two, and three
    Beauty and the Beast - one, two, and three
    Little Mermaid - one, two, and three
    Pirates otC - one through four

    The list is all but endless. There is also the newly added Star Wars franchise to this list now that Disney owns it.

    They are simply the sigil bearer for American family entertainment and as such, command a market premium.

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  • woodrowjr
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    Originally posted by Walter-S_North_Carolina View Post
    I could see a "Bring your DVD's to the Disney Store" type of campaign. You could be right on that idea.
    I could certainly see this as a possibility, with higher prices than we have right now. Also could be a trade in program as well, instead of us keeping our discs....

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  • woodrowjr
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    Originally posted by Walter-S_North_Carolina View Post
    So the big jump is for a studio to decide to get into to VoD market. Once they choose UV (which all studies save disney have done) it is a very small step to start to add their archived titles too.
    It is a very small step but I believe Disney will see D2D as lost revenue. When you look at D2D where does that revenue go (I really don't know).

    I think the initial studios allow D2D to get UV going. It's the first step for the consumer to ask, "why do I need these discs?" Once most of the collection is available digitally then the studios hope that the consumer will just buy their titles digitally which I would imagine they make a higher direct margin on. If not now then eventually.

    A lot of the ground work has been laid out for Disney. I think Disney could come in and say "hey we will join UV, but we are not going to allow our titles to be on D2D, the consumer will just have to repurchase, such as they do now when a new format emerges (ie DVD to blu-ray)."

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  • Walter-S_North_Carolina
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    Originally posted by echopulse View Post
    Yes, I agree. Once they announce UV support, I think within a few months they will start to add catalog titles. I think they might do their own disc to digital program though, with higher prices.

    I could see a "Bring your DVD's to the Disney Store" type of campaign. You could be right on that idea.

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  • woodrowjr
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    If they allow a disc to digital it will be on their terms and probably be at a higher cost. Also I believe they would be very selective in terms of what titles they would allow.

    They probably would be less selective in their titles under the Touchstone brand however.

    Although I hope for them to just release all of their titles, I think Disney knows that their titles command a premium and people will pay more/again for their titles.

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  • echopulse
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    Yes, I agree. Once they announce UV support, I think within a few months they will start to add catalog titles. I think they might do their own disc to digital program though, with higher prices.

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  • Walter-S_North_Carolina
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    Originally posted by woodrowjr View Post
    When/if Disney finally joins UV it will be a slow process. They will probably do what MGM seems to be doing, just letting new titles to be UV enabled.

    I think MGM will probably give us some a lot more titles before the end of the year, but I'm not like a lot of people here that seem to be mad that they haven't joined like they owe it to us to just let all of their titles go.

    Disney will probably not allow most of their titles to join Disc to Digital IMO.

    You are right. However, once Disney Motion Pictures puts the effort into releasing new titles onto VoD via UV, the question is why they would not choose to begin to add historical titles from their library. After all, it would be a source of revenue for them on titles that are seeing little to no activity to release them into this new VoD medium. Once an archived title is put into UV, there is really no reason it can not be a D2D title too.

    So the big jump is for a studio to decide to get into to VoD market. Once they choose UV (which all studies save disney have done) it is a very small step to start to add their archived titles too.

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