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  • Speedaddict81
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    Given the running start we've seen from DMA, I think they will make it. Unlike Keychest, this program was well-planned, and the market was prepped (by UV) and ready. The likeliness that several future streaming providers/distributors are in DECE/UV means that people will finally get what they want, all their content in one place, with few exceptions (the rare UV title that is not available on a given service, or the inability to download the portable CFF for those determined to serve their own content).

    To maintain their initial success, DMA needs to add cross-platform support, through additional distributors (ie Vudu, Amazon), as quickly as possible. If this happens (namely addition of Vudu), and they add a method to get non DC Disney/Touchstone titles added to DMA, I will no longer be in the 'serve it myself' group.

    So, Walter, I have to vote B.

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  • Walter-S_North_Carolina
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    Thank you for going on the record. Smack talk is actually something welcome.

    I respectfully disagree with you. Further, I think the industry reporters such as Mr. Jeff Kleist who's report I was referring to when this thread was authored, and just about any reasonable objective outsider presented with the facts as they stand today would agree with me. I will let them all speak for themselves though and let events play out according to as they may.

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  • terpfan1980
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    I should note, you've already lost 1 year of the 5 given your original prediction was almost a year ago and that proved to be one of those 'the rumors of my death were greatly exaggerated' type things.

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  • terpfan1980
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    My vote is that you'll be eating a little crow (and looking more like a homeless person if that is what you want, and given your reply, yes, it seems you very much want that).

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  • Walter-S_North_Carolina
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    Let me rewind the tape.

    I asked a rather Boolean question. This apparently touched a nerve with you and you slandered me with the implication of being overly simplistic and unable to grasp complexities and nuances and sublties you had command over. You launched into calling me an insane homeless man with a street sign for some fanatical prediction which had no basis in realities.

    Since you seem to be expirencing an emotional reaction which causes you to fly off the handle, let me slim it down for you;

    In 5 years will;

    (A) key chest be shut down and Disney studios members of DECE

    or

    (B) key chest still going and Disney studios are successful in the go-it-alone route

    My vote is (A). What is yours?

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  • terpfan1980
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    Originally posted by Walter-S_North_Carolina View Post
    Your rant aside, I will chalk you up to the "DMA will win" side. I think the Vegas odd makers would put your bet into the long shot category and my bet that Disney Studios will join DECE as a safe bet.

    For the record, I am a Disney fan. I own over 100 their titles in my physical collection. I have held season passes to Walt Disney World for three years running until my family moved from the state and have enjoyed stays on the property countless times. I consider their content to be some of the best Holywood has to offer and their brand to be a symbol of quality which I value.
    I'm not at all a DMA will win person. I just don't see this as a UV or DMA choice. There is room for both, though like the commenter above noted, I would really like to see at most a minimal number of choices out there so the market doesn't get fragmented and so we don't wind up having to install dozens of apps to access our libraries.

    I am a fan of Vudu (otherwise I wouldn't be sitting here with nearly 800 films in my library at this point, including more than a couple of Disney films). I'd like to see Vudu get their act together and improve their apps and get them on more platforms (Windows 8, for Windows 8 tablets as an example really screams for an app. The app on the iPad screams for a search feature, or at least a sort feature for people with large libraries, etc.)

    Meanwhile, if Disney is successful, then it isn't the end of the world just as it wasn't the end of the world when Blu-ray 'defeated' HD DVD in the marketplace (though that was certainly a case where the loser had to disappear so the market wouldn't continue to be fragmented).

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  • Walter-S_North_Carolina
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    Originally posted by terpfan1980 View Post
    Yes, Walter, we get it, you hate Disney and hope they fail. You can stop already. Your bias is showing through perfectly well.


    Disney is not just Disney, they are Touchstone as well. They are now Marvel and Lucas too. They are Pixar as well.

    They aren't exactly hundreds, though they aren't necessarily 5 digits worth of films either. They are however some of the more desirable films for many potential buyers and as such there are plenty of buyers that will buy their wares, even if it means taking the same kind of leap of faith some (like me) had to make when buying into Vudu and UV.

    iTunes may not be everyone's favorite, but it does work. I seriously hope that Disney gets an app out that grants Android users access to their titles, as well as Amazon users. I am not holding my breath, but I don't think they are stupid. They want to be able to sell their content and they know that hitching their wagon entirely to Apple and iTunes won't get them access to a lot of their (potential) customers.

    They may yet hitch to Vudu but not to UV. They could hitch to the folks with the bullseye on them if they choose to. They could make deals with multiple providers and still ignore UV entirely. That doesn't mean they won't succeed at what they want to do.

    Meanwhile, your forecast -- for now -- was about as good as a weatherman's. Or maybe a politician who wants to claim she told us all about Ukraine before current events have finally come to pass. Too early, and not yet close to reality. Maybe in the future you can look back and zing in an 'I told you so' but for now, well you are coming off pretty much like someone that should be running around looking for more tinfoil for your hat.
    Your rant aside, I will chalk you up to the "DMA will win" side. I think the Vegas odd makers would put your bet into the long shot category and my bet that Disney Studios will join DECE as a safe bet.

    For the record, I am a Disney fan. I own over 100 their titles in my physical collection. I have held season passes to Walt Disney World for three years running until my family moved from the state and have enjoyed stays on the property countless times. I consider their content to be some of the best Holywood has to offer and their brand to be a symbol of quality which I value.

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  • Grey Ghost
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    Originally posted by Walter-S_North_Carolina View Post
    I am curious.

    Does anyone believe that in five years the Walt Disney Company's Key Chest system will still be active and the UltraViolet system run by DECE will be struggling to survive?

    IMHO, this question has been answered over a year ago when the industry ditched iTunes and ran wholesale to UV for digital copy redemption. At the time, the reports of the Keychest shutdown came from industry reporters who were tracking the studio's actions.

    The fact it is back on the table in some form to me is indication of a last breath attempt to stem the tide, which by my estimation is futile at this point. Perhaps two years ago this play could of been successful.

    Disney has triple digits in their catalog offering and one studio participating.

    UV has five digits and 85 consortium members.

    This event has made it into the Wikipedia timeline of events in the history of Ultraviolet:

    LINK:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UltraViolet_(DRM)#History

    I suspect that is all it will ever succeed in doing and in less then a years time end up becoming UV compliant.
    UV better still be here in 5 years or there will be a lot of PO'd consumers, but DMA and UV are not in a death match where only one will survive. If in a year or 2 DMA is struggling they can always join UV or integrate with other providers and launch new apps.

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  • rdodolak
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    I'm not opposed to more apps which lead to more consumer choice. We already have Vudu, Target Ticket, M-Go, Cinema Now, Flixster, etc., to name a few, and I'd welcome even more. What I'm opposed to however are unnecessary apps that further fragment the digital copy realm. What consumers want is a single unifying and underlying infrastructure for digital copies. With DMA you have to use their app and you're required to use another piece of hardware. How many apps and pieces of hardware does a consumer need to stream ALL of their titles?

    I want to be able to stream all of my titles from one, single app on the hardware of my choice. I don't want that dictated to me by a studio. The current UV ecosystem gives consumers a much better choice. All of the titles, well a majority of them based on the supporting studios, are housed in the UV cloud but the user gets to choose which app they prefer to use and on what hardware.

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  • terpfan1980
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    Yes, Walter, we get it, you hate Disney and hope they fail. You can stop already. Your bias is showing through perfectly well.

    Disney has triple digits in their catalog offering and one studio participating.
    Disney is not just Disney, they are Touchstone as well. They are now Marvel and Lucas too. They are Pixar as well.

    They aren't exactly hundreds, though they aren't necessarily 5 digits worth of films either. They are however some of the more desirable films for many potential buyers and as such there are plenty of buyers that will buy their wares, even if it means taking the same kind of leap of faith some (like me) had to make when buying into Vudu and UV.

    iTunes may not be everyone's favorite, but it does work. I seriously hope that Disney gets an app out that grants Android users access to their titles, as well as Amazon users. I am not holding my breath, but I don't think they are stupid. They want to be able to sell their content and they know that hitching their wagon entirely to Apple and iTunes won't get them access to a lot of their (potential) customers.

    They may yet hitch to Vudu but not to UV. They could hitch to the folks with the bullseye on them if they choose to. They could make deals with multiple providers and still ignore UV entirely. That doesn't mean they won't succeed at what they want to do.

    Meanwhile, your forecast -- for now -- was about as good as a weatherman's. Or maybe a politician who wants to claim she told us all about Ukraine before current events have finally come to pass. Too early, and not yet close to reality. Maybe in the future you can look back and zing in an 'I told you so' but for now, well you are coming off pretty much like someone that should be running around looking for more tinfoil for your hat.

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  • Walter-S_North_Carolina
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    Originally posted by TheBang View Post
    Apparently, the reports of Keychest's death have been greatly exaggerated.
    I am curious.

    Does anyone believe that in five years the Walt Disney Company's Key Chest system will still be active and the UltraViolet system run by DECE will be struggling to survive?

    IMHO, this question has been answered over a year ago when the industry ditched iTunes and ran wholesale to UV for digital copy redemption. At the time, the reports of the Keychest shutdown came from industry reporters who were tracking the studio's actions.

    The fact it is back on the table in some form to me is indication of a last breath attempt to stem the tide, which by my estimation is futile at this point. Perhaps two years ago this play could of been successful.

    Disney has triple digits in their catalog offering and one studio participating.

    UV has five digits and 85 consortium members.

    This event has made it into the Wikipedia timeline of events in the history of Ultraviolet:

    LINK:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UltraViolet_(DRM)#History

    I suspect that is all it will ever succeed in doing and in less then a years time end up becoming UV compliant.

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  • echopulse
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    Originally posted by TheBang View Post
    Apparently, the reports of Keychest's death have been greatly exaggerated.
    There's a lot of news reporting about UltraViolet that hasn't come true. Amazon becoming a retailer, Common File Formatbeing launched, Redbox offering UV, Two New retailers launching last December, UV promotion of 10 free movies with a new HDTV, and MGM joining Disc to Digital, and Fox dropping iTunes copies are just a few I can think of. Hopefully some of it will still come about, even if later than expected.

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  • TheBang
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    Apparently, the reports of Keychest's death have been greatly exaggerated.

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  • echopulse
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    I think the first test will be when they release a blu-ray that comes with a vudu digital copy. They did that with Toy Story 3, but that was a long time ago, and a limited release. Mine didn't have it.

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  • nycomet
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    It was encouraging to see that Disney did an early digital release of Wreck It Ralph. Though it was (and still is) priced at $22.99, I am sure the studio is closely evaluating pre-disc-release sales figures of the title.

    Let's also recall the end-of-year digital movie sale that Disney offered on multiple streaming service providers. That was another "test" to gauge the revenue potential of streaming digital movies. There were actually two such sales: one featured Disney-Pixar titles; the other Disney titles.

    We need to keep monitoring and watch for a REAL breakthrough to come from Disney: the first new blu-ray (and/or DVD) release that includes an iTunes and UV digital copy -- or an on-disc advance promotional trailer that announces an upcoming UV release.

    Chances are Disney will issue a press release stating it has joined the Ultraviolet consortium well in advance of its initial UV release. But it wouldn't surprise me if there was no such press release from the House of the Mouse. The announcement, when/if it comes, may be sourced from DECE (Digital Entertainment Content Ecosystem) instead of from Disney.

    The odds of Disney becoming a UV supporter appears to be gaining momentum. Will it ever really happen? We all have our own opinions... and only time will tell what the final outcome will be.

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