Could "Oz The Great And Powerful" Be Disney's First UV Release?

[Walter-S_North_Carolina]

Re: Could "Oz The Great And Powerful" Be Disney's First UV Release?

That moves the goal posts though. The conversation here made it out like the iTunes logo was *gone* -- and that's not the case. It's just one of three choices now. Yes, cause for celebration indeed. Consumer choice wins. But the iTunes logo isn't gone any more than the VUDU or Amazon or UV logo is. Period.

no sir. iTunes is not one of three. That gives it way too much stature.

in 80%-90% of the titles, UV is the sole digital copy method.

in the remaining 10%-20%, iTunes no longer holds any exclusive. They have been abandoned for all but legacy users as the industry continues to drive for UV critical mass.

the percent of the digital copy market iTunes holds has gone from robust 70% ranges to low single digits in the space of 18 months.

The defeat is sound and stunning. Any attempt to call it anything but, is simply sourced from delusion.

[rdodolak]

Re: Could "Oz The Great And Powerful" Be Disney's First UV Release?

That moves the goal posts though. The conversation here made it out like the iTunes logo was *gone* -- and that's not the case. It's just one of three choices now. Yes, cause for celebration indeed. Consumer choice wins. But the iTunes logo isn't gone any more than the VUDU or Amazon or UV logo is. Period.

Agree that the iTunes logo hasn't been eradicated. It just compliments the UV logo and can still be found on the packaging of every major studio.

[Fofer]

Re: Could "Oz The Great And Powerful" Be Disney's First UV Release?

starting today as a release date, find me one title that has an iTunes logo as the sole method to redeem a digital copy.

That moves the goal posts though. The conversation here made it out like the iTunes logo was *gone* -- and that's not the case. It's just one of three choices now. Yes, cause for celebration indeed. Consumer choice wins. But the iTunes logo isn't gone any more than the VUDU or Amazon or UV logo is. Period.

[Walter-S_North_Carolina]

Re: Could "Oz The Great And Powerful" Be Disney's First UV Release?

The Itunes logo has not been eliminated from DVD/Blu-ray packaging. Have you ever looked at the back of a Universal DVD? They still have iTunes digital copy, in addtion to UV. Disney will also have iTunes, vudu and Amazon. Lionsgate also offers both options. But, yes, it's good for Disney to offer vudu copies, but it has not abandoned iTunes at all.

starting today as a release date, find me one title that has an iTunes logo as the sole method to redeem a digital copy.

Just one year ago, I could of found many.

Starting today, there are none. zero.

Also, the vast majority are UV exclusive. There are only a remnant that offer iTunes DC as an additional choice as one of a selection.

This is a paradigm shift which I stand ready to counter any attempt to minimize. Apple lost the digital copy market.

period.

[Fofer]

Re: Could "Oz The Great And Powerful" Be Disney's First UV Release?

The Itunes logo has not been eliminated from DVD/Blu-ray packaging. Have you ever looked at the back of a Universal DVD? They still have iTunes digital copy, in addtion to UV. Disney will also have iTunes, vudu and Amazon. Lionsgate also offers both options. But, yes, it's good for Disney to offer vudu copies, but it has not abandoned iTunes at all.

Indeed. Well said.

And again, I say this as an Apple user, with plenty of iDevices and AppleTV's, who's decided to invest my money, time and energy building my video library in UV/Vudu's cloud, and not iTunes!

[Fofer]

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Last time I tried to use Apple was an iPad. For me, it sucked. Why? Because it was not a stand-alone device. I had to create an iTunes account on my PC

For what it's worth, that was a while ago. iOS devices are now PC-independent and never need to be connected or synced to a computer. They're fed via (and backed up to) the cloud.

I no longer own that iPad and will probably never buy another Apple product the rest of my life. But that's just me.

I understand you feel burned and that's your right. It's the over-the-top "will probably never buy another Apple product the rest of my life" that makes this conversation feel a bit wonky, is all.

I typically just choose the best product/platform/service for my needs at the time I need/want them. Getting all wrapped up in emotion about it doesn't really serve anyone.

[echopulse]

Re: Could "Oz The Great And Powerful" Be Disney's First UV Release?

The Itunes logo has not been eliminated from DVD/Blu-ray packaging. Have you ever looked at the back of a Universal DVD? They still have iTunes digital copy, in addtion to UV. Disney will also have iTunes, vudu and Amazon. Lionsgate also offers both options. But, yes, it's good for Disney to offer vudu copies, but it has not abandoned iTunes at all.

[Walter-S_North_Carolina]

Re: Could "Oz The Great And Powerful" Be Disney's First UV Release?

It's the knee-jerk glee over "declared defeat" I'm not quite grokking here. But hey, whatever floats your boat.

Fofer,

today marks a MAJOR VICTORY for UV/Vudu as well as a MAJOR DEFEAT for Apple in the Digital Copy market.

The iTunes logo has been eradicated from packaged movie industry products.

You may try to brush this aside.

You may try to minimize by calling me melodramatic.

You may try suggest there is nothing to celebrate.

I disagree. Today marks the conclusive and definitive end to the all competition in the digital copy market. This battle is over. UV has won.

The next battle is in the EST market, which Apple currently is the market leader. To suggest we who are UV enthusiast (and I do understand you count yourself as one too) do have reason to celebrate today. Today is the day we have been sanctioned as the unrivaled winner of the digital copy market.

I make no apologies for basking in the victory and I consider this to be a dramatic turn of events where a technology I am enthusiastic about has been left as the only one still standing and has become the defacto standard going into the future.

[rdodolak]

Re: Could "Oz The Great And Powerful" Be Disney's First UV Release?

The web site is back up now.

http://www.digitalcopyplus.com/

I don't see any change from the preview we had previous to the announcement.

The full site (desktop site) seems to be back up but if the mobile site is loaded on a mobile device it still says to come back on June 11.

[LuzRinggold]

Re: Could "Oz The Great And Powerful" Be Disney's First UV Release?

Listen, as I mentioned above, I've got a myriad of devices, and appreciate innovation from all the companies out there. I've personally chosen to embrace VUDU and UltraViolet for my online movie collection over iTunes and Apple...

Innovation is a great thing...but integration is more important to me. I don't like being limited to an iPad or other Apple device and I don't like having to have an iTunes account.

Last time I tried to use Apple was an iPad. For me, it sucked. Why? Because it was not a stand-alone device. I had to create an iTunes account on my PC (by the way, their software totally screwed up my PC and I was unable to burn CDs from that point on...among other problems that started that day). I now have Android devices and I can load up MP3 and other files and manage everything myself. So much easier than the iTunes approach in my opinion.

I no longer own that iPad and will probably never buy another Apple product the rest of my life. But that's just me. I guess everyone has different opinions and expectations, that's why Apple will continue to be around...but I do think that as UV grows and as new apps are deployed for various devices it will hurt iTunes until the day that they join UltraViolet.

[Fofer]

Re: Could "Oz The Great And Powerful" Be Disney's First UV Release?

At one point, I owned an iPac telephone. It was made by Hewlett Packerd and ran Windows CE. This was seven years before the first iPhone. It had mobile internet, a touch screen interface, and a built in cell phone. It also sync'ed with both my work and personal e-mail accounts.

Apple did not make anything new with the iPhone

And it never took off in popularity because the usability wasn't there; the UI sucked. Apple did, indeed, bring something new to the table (once again) and were rewarded handily for it.

Apple had ever intention of cornering the Digital Copy market. Their efforts have failed as of today. The iTunes logo will no longer be on packaged movie industry products. The word for this is "DEFEAT", unambiguous and unarguable defeat.

Quite dramatic, are you?

Listen, as I mentioned above, I've got a myriad of devices, and appreciate innovation from all the companies out there. I've personally chosen to embrace VUDU and UltraViolet for my online movie collection over iTunes and Apple (even though I my Apple gear is well-situated to playback the latter.) Why? Because VUDU brought something new to the table for me, and that was interface and ease, and the ability for me to inexpensively convert my existing DVD, Blu Ray, and VHS tapes into online copies, in store and now at home. So I chose with my dollars.

It's the knee-jerk glee over "declared defeat" I'm not quite grokking here. But hey, whatever floats your boat.

[Walter-S_North_Carolina]

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Disney may be on board now, but FOX is still not really that far along to the party.

https://foxuv.com/

...DECE members.

I can see why Disney could not abruptly halt offering iTunes copies. After all, their customers have been trained to use iTunes for Digital Copy redemption more so then all other studios.

I am beginning to think that the DigitalCopy+ initiative is simply a transitional step until the iTunes initeria they had built up recedes.

After training their customers for so long to go to iTunes for Digital copy redemption, they could not just halt that as an option.

[tsken02]

Re: Could "Oz The Great And Powerful" Be Disney's First UV Release?

The web site is back up now.

http://www.digitalcopyplus.com/

I don't see any change from the preview we had previous to the announcement.

[terpfan1980]

Re: Could "Oz The Great And Powerful" Be Disney's First UV Release?

Disney may be on board now, but FOX is still not really that far along to the party.

[Walter-S_North_Carolina]

Re: Could "Oz The Great And Powerful" Be Disney's First UV Release?

"Beginnings" of what? Apple's not going anywhere. This title will be available to consumers as a digital copy on either Vudu, iTunes or Amazon Instant Video. And yes, of course, choice is good.

It's not like Apple had any traction on "cornering the market" in this space, anyway.

Yes, for a spell, it looked like iTunes was going to be a digital copy prerequisite defacto standard.

To think that both Apple and Amazon do not have intentions to corner the market, as Microsoft had done with the PC operating system, is delusional. Both companies do. In fact, Vudu has the same intention.

I am just glad to not be forced to swallow Apple's horse-pill.

To say Apple is not going anywhere is again not acknowledging the ebbs and flows of the consumer technology industry.

At one point, I owned an iPac telephone. It was made by Hewlett Packerd and ran Windows CE. This was seven years before the first iPhone. It had mobile internet, a touch screen interface, and a built in cell phone. It also sync'ed with both my work and personal e-mail accounts.

Apple did not make anything new with the iPhone which has propelled their current growth spike and what goes up must succumb to gravity too.

Especially in the technology industry.

Apple had ever intention of cornering the Digital Copy market. Their efforts have failed as of today. The iTunes logo will no longer be on packaged movie industry products. The word for this is "DEFEAT", unambiguous and unarguable defeat.

Instead from this day on, every title who will intice consumers with a digital copy will either have the purple UV logo or in the case of Disney Studios, the DigitalCopy+ brand name.

To have Apple's last studio hold out break ranks and make iTunes only one of three and the Apple offer being the weakest of the three can not be seen as anything but the last straw breaking for their hopes in the Digital Copy market.

The digital copy battle field has been won and the Apple forces have been vacated.

EST of movie industry content is the next battlefield.