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    #46
    Re: Plans for "Disney Movies Anywhere" to link to Vudu?

    Originally posted by echopulse View Post
    Also, if Amazon ever becomes a UV retailer it's all but over.
    Now that I'd love to see since I'm a Kindle Fire HD user and sideloaded Vudu app has its issues. That one feels pretty likely.

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      #47
      Re: Plans for "Disney Movies Anywhere" to link to Vudu?

      I must say, this is a step in a direction, maybe not the one we'd hoped for, but still a step.

      Now, I'd like to see a way to add digital copies to the already purchased DVD or Bluray that didn't have one included. Apparently, of my 50+ movies redeemed on DMR, only 8 had eligible digital copies...notably missing is my Iron Man 3, which I preordered from WM.

      Of course, I also want to see Vudu as a provider and, even better, addition of Vudu purchased Disney titles to the DMA. That way I can finally commit to digital purchases through Vudu knowing they will be added to my DMR/DMA account for 'safekeeping'.

      Also, I've yet to see a Touchstone release with DMR or DigitalCopyPlus. I really want digital copies of movies like Armaggeddon, Hidalgo, and Enemy of the State. Again, ideally there would be a way to prove ownership and pay an 'upgrade to digital' charge ($5-7).

      If this is what has to happen to get all my conent in one place (Vudu), so be it, at least it will finally be consolidated.

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        #48
        Re: Plans for "Disney Movies Anywhere" to link to Vudu?

        My take on Disney Movies Anywhere:

        Disney has been, and always will be, hyper protective of their content. It's become clear with the launch of their new service, and how it works, exactly what things they didn't like about Ultraviolet; namely, D2D (and the notion that one disc could be used to get multiple copies for people when passed around), and multiple account users being able to view one digital copy. Disney clearly is only interested in one household having access to one digital copy, and no more. They want every household to pay for the privilege of viewing a Disney film. With their current model, they don't have to worry about that--they have more control over who's viewing their product.

        Secondly, I would be willing to bet that iTunes wrote Disney a big check to be their exclusive launch partner for a specific period of time (6 months? 1 year?) This effectively helps iTunes get back into the digital movie game that UV was gaining market share on, and gets iTunes users some nice upgrades on their Disney content, including a free movie, once they link their accounts. Had iTunes passed, it's likely Disney would have approached Amazon to do something similar. I do think that whenever iTunes' exclusivity window is up, you will see Disney partner with Amazon, and even eventually VUDU. Keep in mind that you cannot purchase movies on Disney Movies Anywhere, just as you cannot purchase movies on uvvu.com (the Ultraviolet site)--you have to use iTunes. It will be in Disney's best interest to eventually add other partners to improve their revenue picture, so there's no doubt in my mind that Disney will eventually add Amazon, VUDU, TargetTicket and others to their network down the road. Disney movies in those accounts will most likely migrate into the Disney account, just as they currently do with iTunes.

        So to me it seems clear that Disney really has no need to join UV, but can leverage their partnerships with UV providers such as VUDU, on their own terms. VUDU will gain new users, Disney gains new revenue streams, and my kids will eventually be able to have their various Disney movies that I currently have spread across iTunes, VUDU and Amazon, all in one single app. At that point, why would Disney need UV? I think they can both co-exist peacefully in the emerging digital entertainment marketplace.

        Anyway, that's my 2-cents on this. Who knows, though, maybe I'm dead wrong.

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          #49
          Re: Plans for "Disney Movies Anywhere" to link to Vudu?

          UltraViolet still has several advantages that iTunes, Amazon Instant, or vudu do not have by themselves. One is the Common File Format, for people who want to host files on their own network, move them between devices, stream them over DLNA, and the like. Not everyone wants to use a vudu or itunes app. I personally cannot wait to be able to download files to my hard drive and put them on whatever external drive I want.

          Family sharing is a great feature that people will demand once UltraViolet is a mainstream technology.

          Disc to Digital is en extremely valuable service that people will demand once they start doing it for all their other DVD's.

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            #50
            Re: Plans for "Disney Movies Anywhere" to link to Vudu?

            Originally posted by echopulse View Post
            UltraViolet still has several advantages that iTunes, Amazon Instant, or vudu do not have by themselves. One is the Common File Format, for people who want to host files on their own network, move them between devices, stream them over DLNA, and the like. Not everyone wants to use a vudu or itunes app. I personally cannot wait to be able to download files to my hard drive and put them on whatever external drive I want.

            Family sharing is a great feature that people will demand once UltraViolet is a mainstream technology.

            Disc to Digital is en extremely valuable service that people will demand once they start doing it for all their other DVD's.
            I agree. While the Disney Movies Anywhere app is intriguing to me, and not inherently a bad thing, in the end I will always be a UV acolyte, precisely for the reasons you noted (CFF, D2D, multiple users) plus I love VUDU's 1080p content, their 3D selections, their blu-ray app I use to stream on my TV, and their layout/formatting.

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              #51
              Re: Plans for "Disney Movies Anywhere" to link to Vudu?

              Originally posted by Jeff*H View Post
              My take on Disney Movies Anywhere:

              Disney has been, and always will be, hyper protective of their content. It's become clear with the launch of their new service, and how it works, exactly what things they didn't like about Ultraviolet; namely, D2D (and the notion that one disc could be used to get multiple copies for people when passed around), and multiple account users being able to view one digital copy. Disney clearly is only interested in one household having access to one digital copy, and no more. They want every household to pay for the privilege of viewing a Disney film. With their current model, they don't have to worry about that--they have more control over who's viewing their product.
              I have taken my entire Disney movie library of physical media, ripped them, loaded them into iTunes/Plex, and watch them in my home that way. I do know for a fact that ripping physical media is common. I work for an ISP. The amount of traffic occurring on Torrent ports makes that very clear.

              As Mr. EP mentioned, the CFF is an important part of the UV system. Disney may wish to think that everyone buys their movies and watches them in their home, but they are not so naive. They know good and well how often their media gets ripped and passed around. UV makes digital copies easy and relatively low cost as a means to combat illegal ripping/distribution, a problem which stands to seriously threaten the MPAA long term financial viability since it undermines in-home distribution revenues.

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                #52
                Re: Plans for "Disney Movies Anywhere" to link to Vudu?

                Who know's where all of this will lead but all I can say is I'm glad I held out buying Star Wars on blu ray. I was tempted so many times. When Disney releases yet another round of blu rays for it I will hopefully get it in my DMA account . Fingers crossed they release them without the changes that Lucas added.

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                  #53
                  Re: Plans for "Disney Movies Anywhere" to link to Vudu?

                  My initial thoughts on the DMA was outrage (as evidenced by my subsequently locked post in General). UV is in place, has support of all major (and most mini-major) studios, and is available on just about every device out there. The fact that it's iTunes only for now just further fueled the fire.

                  After a few days, I've settled down. I still don't like it, at all, but Disney is all about control so I shouldn't be surprised. Apple and Disney have been "buddy-buddy" for quite a while now, so it also shouldn't be a shock they went with iTunes initially.

                  I mainly just want cross-platform downloads that I can stream over my local network (via Plex) to my devices. Right now, neither provides this. CFF still isn't released for UV, and the DMA only works with iDevices.

                  I think the best we can probably hope for, at this point, is that either DECE and Disney eventually allow UV and Keychest to talk to each other, or Vudu is announced as a partner.

                  Although I would definitely prefer a single standard (UV), I really couldn't care less which system has my licenses, as long as: 1.) the service provider I choose can aggregate all of them in one place and 2.) I can download the files to a hard drive/NAS and stream them across my LAN.

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                    #54
                    Re: Plans for "Disney Movies Anywhere" to link to Vudu?

                    Originally posted by Jeff*H View Post
                    My take on Disney Movies Anywhere:

                    Disney has been, and always will be, hyper protective of their content. It's become clear with the launch of their new service, and how it works, exactly what things they didn't like about Ultraviolet; namely, D2D (and the notion that one disc could be used to get multiple copies for people when passed around), and multiple account users being able to view one digital copy. Disney clearly is only interested in one household having access to one digital copy, and no more. They want every household to pay for the privilege of viewing a Disney film. With their current model, they don't have to worry about that--they have more control over who's viewing their product.
                    Good post Jeff, I just wanted to say that I think you're on the right track with this part, but don't forget that Disney is always pulling that "vault" bull$#!+, so while I think you are right about them wanting "every household to pay for the privilege of viewing a Disney film", I think a majority of their concern lies in the fact that they have already sold so many DVDs that they don't want to offer a discounted path to digital streaming, as they think many DVD/Blu-ray owners will still pay full freight for EST. The passing around of copies is probably a concern, but IMO not as big as the fact that they already have significant digital market penetration via disc, and they want EST to not overlap that.

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                      #55
                      Re: Plans for "Disney Movies Anywhere" to link to Vudu?

                      I checked out the Disney app and got the free "Incredibles" copy and it just adds it to your iTunes account. I could have bought the move on iTunes and done the same thing. To me, it doesn't really provide any tangible benefit other than getting Movie Reward points or registering your copy with Disney when you buy something from iTunes.
                      I see a lot of reviews for how excited people are to watch these movies offline--which you could already do with iTunes. Makes me wonder if people know how to use their devices in the first place but nonetheless it enforces the point that consumers want and in many cases need simplicity.
                      I love the UV model but I do think Vudu, UV, other UV providers, as well as the participating studios need to take some stock in this Disney move. Many consumers are confused by the Vudu/Flixster/UV model and how it works. Many don't understand the benefits or even know you can go to the UV site to share your content or use other providers if you so chose. I think more marketing and education are needed on this front and in a hurry to show consumers how much more they are getting through the UV model. Disney is a juggernaut and its easy for them to compete head on because of their content library and how easy it is for them to get in front of consumers. The only way they'll ever sway on how their content is distributed is if consumers demand it and vote with their wallets.
                      Likewise, the Vudu iOS app needs a lot of improvement and pales in comparison to the look and feel of the Disney one. It needs parental controls and other enhancements to make it appealing- a 2 star ratings with scorching reviews isn't doing any favors for the Vudu/UV camp.
                      It will be interesting to see if Disney expands to other providers for the content because it appears at the moment they aren't hosting the streaming/storage, just leveraging Apple's. The entire thing is an interesting move because it does raise lots of questions about the direction they are going in the long term. This move now gives me pause when I buy a Disney movie on Vudu (which frustrates me now without the UV link anyway) but those questions about could it be pulled at some point get raised. If Disney were able to introduce a model that consumers liked more and found easier what would that mean for the significant investment I have made in Vudu/UV?

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                        #56
                        Re: Plans for "Disney Movies Anywhere" to link to Vudu?

                        Originally posted by prometheus242 View Post
                        I checked out the Disney app and got the free "Incredibles" copy and it just adds it to your iTunes account. I could have bought the move on iTunes and done the same thing. To me, it doesn't really provide any tangible benefit other than getting Movie Reward points or registering your copy with Disney when you buy something from iTunes.
                        I see a lot of reviews for how excited people are to watch these movies offline--which you could already do with iTunes. Makes me wonder if people know how to use their devices in the first place but nonetheless it enforces the point that consumers want and in many cases need simplicity.
                        I love the UV model but I do think Vudu, UV, other UV providers, as well as the participating studios need to take some stock in this Disney move. Many consumers are confused by the Vudu/Flixster/UV model and how it works. Many don't understand the benefits or even know you can go to the UV site to share your content or use other providers if you so chose. I think more marketing and education are needed on this front and in a hurry to show consumers how much more they are getting through the UV model. Disney is a juggernaut and its easy for them to compete head on because of their content library and how easy it is for them to get in front of consumers. The only way they'll ever sway on how their content is distributed is if consumers demand it and vote with their wallets.
                        Likewise, the Vudu iOS app needs a lot of improvement and pales in comparison to the look and feel of the Disney one. It needs parental controls and other enhancements to make it appealing- a 2 star ratings with scorching reviews isn't doing any favors for the Vudu/UV camp.
                        It will be interesting to see if Disney expands to other providers for the content because it appears at the moment they aren't hosting the streaming/storage, just leveraging Apple's. The entire thing is an interesting move because it does raise lots of questions about the direction they are going in the long term. This move now gives me pause when I buy a Disney movie on Vudu (which frustrates me now without the UV link anyway) but those questions about could it be pulled at some point get raised. If Disney were able to introduce a model that consumers liked more and found easier what would that mean for the significant investment I have made in Vudu/UV?

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                        Disney has definitely learned from UV's mistakes.

                        I remember when UV launched, it was pretty convoluted. People had to create several different accounts across various sites just to redeem their films.

                        The sad part is, UV is still unnecessarily complex.
                        First and foremost, the UV website should be the hub. I should only have to go to that site to redeem my codes and manage my account. The site also needs to be stable, not perpetually in beta. Second, it does not make sense that some movies don't show at other providers. All UV movies should be available at all UV vendors, period. They have also yet to roll out the CFF, after several delays, which means downloads are locked to a device and cannot be moved around.

                        Thus far, the only Disney digital copy I've redeemed on Vudu was The Jungle Book, which I have never owned. I don't own any other Disney movies on Vudu, as it will be a cold day when I buy a brand new blu-ray release just to get a digital copy code for a movie I already own. With that said, I wouldn't worry a lot about them pulling their films from your account. Disney likes money just as much as they like control, so they wouldn't do anything that would harm the possibility of you buying more movies. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney and Vudu have already had talks about implementing the Keychest system.

                        As far as other studios, that's an interesting thought. However, I would assume that the other majors are pretty invested in UV and would not see a lot of benefit in moving to another system. Even in a worst case scenario, where the DECE decides to shut down UV and move to Keychest, all of your licenses would hopefully transfer to the new system. As long as Vudu (or your provider of choice) has access to said licensing system, nothing would really change in that regard.

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                          #57
                          Re: Plans for "Disney Movies Anywhere" to link to Vudu?

                          IMHO, it is important to remember that UV / DECE is a member supported consortium. Their purpose is to provide the back end Nustar data store, facilitate digital distribution standards, and provide a forum for member companies to discuss relevant topics.

                          The organization is non-profit. This is the same as the BDA (Blu-ray Disc Association).

                          Back in the HD-DVD vs BRD days, no one was calling for the BDA to launch a multimillion dollar marketing campaign and I think it is outside of the scope of DECE as well.

                          I have re-read the artical provided by Mr. EP (http://kidscreen.com/2014/02/26/ultr...ywhere-launch/). The head of DECE seems awfully chipper in this interview. It makes me wonder if he knows something we don't. For instance there are a couple of imagineers hanging around his offices.

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                            #58
                            Re: Plans for "Disney Movies Anywhere" to link to Vudu?

                            Originally posted by replica145 View Post
                            I don't want it to link to VUDU and I refuse to use it and hope others do the same. I want it to fail, and fail miserably so they will hurry up and join Ultraviolet already. It's really obnoxious they are offering a nascent competing service 2.5 years later.
                            you put into words my thoughts exactly. I agree with you 100%.

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                              #59
                              Re: Plans for "Disney Movies Anywhere" to link to Vudu?

                              Originally posted by BlakkMajik3000 View Post
                              Disney has definitely learned from UV's mistakes.

                              I remember when UV launched, it was pretty convoluted. People had to create several different accounts across various sites just to redeem their films.

                              The sad part is, UV is still unnecessarily complex.
                              First and foremost, the UV website should be the hub. I should only have to go to that site to redeem my codes and manage my account. The site also needs to be stable, not perpetually in beta. Second, it does not make sense that some movies don't show at other providers. All UV movies should be available at all UV vendors, period. They have also yet to roll out the CFF, after several delays, which means downloads are locked to a device and cannot be moved around.

                              Thus far, the only Disney digital copy I've redeemed on Vudu was The Jungle Book, which I have never owned. I don't own any other Disney movies on Vudu, as it will be a cold day when I buy a brand new blu-ray release just to get a digital copy code for a movie I already own. With that said, I wouldn't worry a lot about them pulling their films from your account. Disney likes money just as much as they like control, so they wouldn't do anything that would harm the possibility of you buying more movies. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney and Vudu have already had talks about implementing the Keychest system.

                              As far as other studios, that's an interesting thought. However, I would assume that the other majors are pretty invested in UV and would not see a lot of benefit in moving to another system. Even in a worst case scenario, where the DECE decides to shut down UV and move to Keychest, all of your licenses would hopefully transfer to the new system. As long as Vudu (or your provider of choice) has access to said licensing system, nothing would really change in that regard.
                              I respectfully disagree, Disney hasn't learned a thing especially from it's failed attempts at KeyChest and Disney Movies Online. UV is actually quite flexible where as DMA is quite rigid as it limits you to iTunes and Apple's proprietary hardware or Windows apps. I find it laughable that Disney even calls it Disney Movies Anywhere when it's not in the slightest; there's not even Android, Roku, TV, or Blu-ray support. IMHO, I don't want a more fragmented digital copy streaming service and Disney's attempt at DMA is doing just that. How many times does Disney have to try and reinvent the wheel? This is why people have and will continue to find alternative solutions to stream the movies they already own.

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                                #60
                                Re: Plans for "Disney Movies Anywhere" to link to Vudu?

                                Originally posted by rdodolak View Post
                                I respectfully disagree, Disney hasn't learned a thing especially from it's failed attempts at KeyChest and Disney Movies Online. UV is actually quite flexible where as DMA is quite rigid as it limits you to iTunes and Apple's proprietary hardware or Windows apps. I find it laughable that Disney even calls it Disney Movies Anywhere when it's not in the slightest; there's not even Android, Roku, TV, or Blu-ray support. IMHO, I don't want a more fragmented digital copy streaming service and Disney's attempt at DMA is doing just that. How many times does Disney have to try and reinvent the wheel? This is why people have and will continue to find alternative solutions to stream the movies they already own.
                                DMA just launched, lets see what develops especially after the iTunes launch exclusivity runs out. If they integrate with Vudu and other providers and put out Android, Roku and smart TV apps they would be similar to UV, just not with the family sharing, which they probably don't want. ( D2D is not a requirement of UV.)

                                These things take time, UV is a couple years old now and they still are working on their website.

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