1080p output via component video

[jshop]

will vudu box output a 1080p signal from the component video outputs? if not, then what resolutions are supported by component video output?

I do not have HDMI input on my video projector but it does support 1080p....my current HD cable box will feed an HD 1080p signal via component.

[RonV]

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Thanks for the question. The component video of the VUDU will only output 480p or 480i. Content licensing only allows higher resolution via the HDMI connection.

[HeadHodge]

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will vudu box output a 1080p signal from the component video outputs? if not, then what resolutions are supported by component video output?

I do not have HDMI input on my video projector but it does support 1080p....my current HD cable box will feed an HD 1080p signal via component.

I've looked into this awhile back because I have an old DLP projector that also supports 1080p but only via component. I was looking for an HDMI to Component converter.

So I snooped around a little, because I'm bored ****less with nothing better to do, but also because I am interested in the topic.

Mostly no matter how hard I look, I pretty much find the same things similar to the following:

Component Video

(analog Y-Pr-Pb) - This connection is available on most HDTV's and decent or better DVD players and "Set Top Boxes". Notice the Red, Green and Blue color coded connectors. They do not mean "Red, Green and Blue" and are not compatible with RGB (VGA computer displays, etc). Component Video is capable of all high definition resolutions, depending on the source and display capabilities. Component video in its analog form is being phased out for copy protection issues in high definition source devices.
*Component Video Cables

The Good:
By taking advantage of human eyesights differing abilities to discern color detail and overall black/white detail, component video saves bandwidth and disk space without losing perceived detail.
Can have excellent video quality if equipment and cables are of good quality.

The Bad:
No Audio.
Three connectors.
RCA connections can be fairly easily accidently unplugged.
RCA connectors which are very often used are not really possibly perfectly "75 ohm" connections.

The Ugly:
No copy protection means that Hollywood is not into letting you use this for high definition video.

Ref: http://www.ramelectronics.net/howto-av.ep

and also stuff like this:

** It is not legal to make or sell HDCP capable DVI or HDMI to analog (VGA - Component) converters**

Ref: http://www.highdefforum.com/showthre...d=1#post102114-

But I have found devices that can hack the HDCP signal and convert it to component. But that would be taking a walk on the dark side, and you're on own to find one.

It really sucks, because I'm only able to use my projector with devices that output S-Video or Component.

It's all about the mirrors!!

[NA9D]

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Actually, the Red Green and Blue are for the each of the three primary projection colors: Red, Green and Blue...

And AppleTV will display HD resolutions over component. Now, I don't know if they are violating licensing agreements or not, but if it's legit for them, it should be legit for Vudu.

[RonV]

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Apple TV is already violating the 24 hour viewing window...I wouldn't be surprised if they are violating the 480p on component also.

[NA9D]

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Apple TV is already violating the 24 hour viewing window...I wouldn't be surprised if they are violating the 480p on component also.

But you see, you can't say that. My Comcast box outputs HD resolutions over component and I can watch HD movies on VOD from them.

So...it ain't just Apple. For the most part, Vudu is the odd player here in that their outputs follow that of DVD players (at least upconverting ones - not sure about BluRay).

[HeadHodge]

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But you see, you can't say that. My Comcast box outputs HD resolutions over component and I can watch HD movies on VOD from them.

So...it ain't just Apple. For the most part, Vudu is the odd player here in that their outputs follow that of DVD players (at least upconverting ones - not sure about BluRay).

Well I thought about that too, because my Directv receiver outputs 1080 via component as well. But I don't have it set up or use it that way, so I'm sure that what is sent is really 1080 quality.

For example I can set my receiver to send everything to my TV via 1080i but I know for a fact that the 4:3 SD content from the Comedy Channel is not magically converted to HD even though my TV recognizes the output as 1080i.

So if you follow my meaning, the question is HD really being sent over component or simply something like 480 guised as 1080?

[NA9D]

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Well I thought about that too, because my Directv receiver outputs 1080 via component as well. But I don't have it set up or use it that way, so I'm sure that what is sent is really 1080 quality.

For example I can set my receiver to send everything to my TV via 1080i but I know for a fact that the 4:3 SD content from the Comedy Channel is not magically converted to HD even though my TV recognizes the output as 1080i.

So if you follow my meaning, the question is HD really being sent over component or simply something like 480 guised as 1080?

Well, I know that my box from Comcast outputs 720p and 1080i because I can check it on the TV. Not sure what it outputs from non-SD channels - I think 480i. But HD channels are 720p and 1080i. So are HD VOD selections...

[Rusdude]

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This has been brought up before and it's unfortunate that Vudu doesn't offer HD outputs over component. I guess, 360 and AppleTV might be exempt from HDCP restrictions because they are multi-function devices and not all of the video output from them is going to be DRM'ed HD video.

[bjdraw]

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This has been brought up before and it's unfortunate that Vudu doesn't offer HD outputs over component. I guess, 360 and AppleTV might be exempt from HDCP restrictions because they are multi-function devices and not all of the video output from them is going to be DRM'ed HD video.

And don't forget about DirecTV, Dish Network, Time Warner Cable, Comcast and just about every other cable box.

Ohh, and then there is Blu-ray, which every player support 1080i, and now that I think of it so did HD DVD.

So that really only leaves Vudu, that doesn't support it, hmm makes me wonder if it has anything to do with HDCP at all. Ohh wait, HDCP is a DRM to protect HDMI, what does that have to do with movie content? Or are you saying that all Vudo content requires a protected output. That sounds like selectable output control to me. Where did I read about that? That's right, the MPAA wants to use it to also shut down the component ports of cable boxes, and so far the FCC hasn't let them use it. It's good to see that they've had some success deploying it somewhere.

I think I'll throw out my $2k Switched Digital 8x3 multiswitch and a thousand dollars worth of custom made (to perfect length) component cables so I can download movies with a Vudu -- or perhaps I'll just rent Blu-ray discs instead.

[aaronwt]

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I threw out my thousands of dollars in cables when i went all digital a few years ago. My 20+ devices are all connected with HDMI(DVI for my PCs). No analog connections for me.

[bjdraw]

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I threw out my thousands of dollars in cables when i went all digital a few years ago. My 20+ devices are all connected with HDMI(DVI for my PCs). No analog connections for me.

I wouldn't mind if there was an improvement like there was from VHS to DVD or tapes to CDs, but HDMI is all about DRM. If anything HDMI is worse. I've never once had handshake issues on component, it just works. Never once has a component cable fallen out of the back of my TV. Not to mention I can't make my own HDMI cables.

Right now the only two reason I can think of to use HDMI is Vudu and 1080p, both of which are artificial features and not a results of technical limitation of analog cables.

[MaxH]

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And what about those of us who jumped into HD back when component and DVI were the standards? I do have an HDMI-DVI adapter, but at the time I didn't even think I would use the DVI inputs. Personally, I'm also skeeved out by the industry's relentless push for DRM.

[aaronwt]

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I wouldn't mind if there was an improvement like there was from VHS to DVD or tapes to CDs, but HDMI is all about DRM. If anything HDMI is worse. I've never once had handshake issues on component, it just works. Never once has a component cable fallen out of the back of my TV. Not to mention I can't make my own HDMI cables.

Right now the only two reason I can think of to use HDMI is Vudu and 1080p, both of which are artificial features and not a results of technical limitation of analog cables.

I've never had an HDMI cable fall out. I've used dozens of HDMI cables over the last few years. If anything they are usually too tight and are a pain to remove them.
Fortunately I've rarely had any handshaking issues. High bitrate audio and 1080P video over one cable is definitely better than dealing with 3 component and one or more audio cables for every device.
Of course now most of my devices are networked so I do have another cable now in addition to the HDMI cable

[Rusdude]

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The only reason I could think for restrictions on VUDU is that it's a designated device for movie playback and studios forced VUDU to go HDMI route. Obviously, TiVo, 360, and PS3 have other primary functionality and even AppleTV started out as music/photo/user video machine.

P.S. Does this mean you got your box back from Zatz, Ben? Just in time for 99 cent promo -- I'm surprised at how many good movies they have on that list.

~ Ivan Y.