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    #46
    Re: Resolution of Component Connection

    Originally posted by RonV View Post
    Yes but Satellite and Cable programming providers are outside of the legislation. The focus of this legislation was for "Local Broadcast" providers only. One of my Chicago buddies just got his Comcast DVR updated to TiVo software. The installing tech made comment that some shows may not be recordable in the future. Its here and all its going to take is someone to flip a switch.
    Not being able to record programs is going to make people blow gaskets. I expect that is going to happen at some point and there will be an uproar. Congress should prohibit that as it is 100% against the fair use doctrine (as is most DRM). Just another reason to keep my trusty old Replays. However, if Commiecast is giving out TiVO DVRs here in Chicago, I might just have to get one...

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      #47
      Re: Resolution of Component Connection

      Originally posted by NA9D View Post
      However, if Commiecast is giving out TiVO DVRs here in Chicago, I might just have to get one...
      I'm curious how the Comcast DVR running Tivo software will actually compare to a Tivo box. My dad had a Comcast DVR that we replaced with a Tivo. I hated the box on a hardware level. The thing ran burning hot. The remote sucked. The responsiveness of the box was awful. It seemed a lot of that was hardware related.

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        #48
        Re: Resolution of Component Connection

        Originally posted by redwein View Post
        I'm curious how the Comcast DVR running Tivo software will actually compare to a Tivo box. My dad had a Comcast DVR that we replaced with a Tivo. I hated the box on a hardware level. The thing ran burning hot. The remote sucked. The responsiveness of the box was awful. It seemed a lot of that was hardware related.
        I have the Motorola HD cable box which is basically the same as the DVR that Comcast has had, sans the hard drive. The power supply does run extremely hot. I'm surprised it hasn't failed...

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          #49
          Re: Resolution of Component Connection

          Originally posted by redwein View Post
          I'm curious how the Comcast DVR running Tivo software will actually compare to a Tivo box. My dad had a Comcast DVR that we replaced with a Tivo. I hated the box on a hardware level. The thing ran burning hot. The remote sucked. The responsiveness of the box was awful. It seemed a lot of that was hardware related.
          I won't know until I get back into the office after next week. The tech spent 4 hours at his house just to do the update. This was one of the first "field" update for the Chicago area. Before the upgrade the Comcast software was slow and cumbersome. He had to reboot a lot.

          I can tell you that my TiVo on DirectTV is responsive and easy to use. Now if in your case the TiVo was driving the cable box though a IR emitter yes there was lag in Series 1 boxes. Series 2 and 3 boxes have a bit faster processor, more memory, etc.

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            #50
            Re: Resolution of Component Connection

            Originally posted by RonV View Post
            Now if in your case the TiVo was driving the cable box though a IR emitter yes there was lag in Series 1 boxes. Series 2 and 3 boxes have a bit faster processor, more memory, etc.
            I replaced my dad's Comcast DVR with a Tivo Series 3. I have 3 of them at my house too. They work great and I really like them, though you don't get any of the on demand features. That's where Vudu comes in.

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              #51
              Re: Resolution of Component Connection

              Since in fact the Vudu box is 'hardwired' to provide only 480 resolution via component, it's plain FALSE ADVERTISING for Vudu to list 1080i as the component output under the box's specifications on their own website!

              Where are the WWW police when you need them

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                #52
                Re: Resolution of Component Connection

                Originally posted by kumasuki View Post
                Since in fact the Vudu box is 'hardwired' to provide only 480 resolution via component, it's plain FALSE ADVERTISING for Vudu to list 1080i as the component output under the box's specifications on their own website!

                Where are the WWW police when you need them
                Where does it say that 1080i is an option over component, or that the Vudu is hardwired to limit resolution (not possible, AFAIK)? From the Product (VUDU Box) page:

                Video Outputs
                HDMI v 1.1
                Component
                S-Video
                Composite

                Video Resolution
                1080p/24
                1080i
                720p
                480p
                480i
                From this listing, did you also expect 1080p/24 over composite, or S-video? While I would normally assume that component is capable of 1080i, the restrictions we've seen on upscaling DVD players have proven that to be a dangerous assumption. I do think it should be more obvious to a potential customer that component is limited to 480p, but you didn't ask Vudu to clarify that on their web site in your post, you just slung poorly supported accusations.

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                  #53
                  Re: Resolution of Component Connection

                  Originally posted by MaxH View Post
                  I do think it should be more obvious to a potential customer that component is limited to 480p.
                  The upconverting DVD players that I purchased were not obvious at time of purchase that component output was limited to 480p and that the only way to get upconversion to HD resolutions was to use HDMI...

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                    #54
                    Re: Resolution of Component Connection

                    Just wanted to throw my .02 in here to say that the 480p output over component looks VERY GOOD.

                    I know there are snobs out there who won't touch anything under 1080i, I myself get slightly annoyed watching non-HD versions of shows, and I pay the ridiculous extra fee to get NFL DirecTicket in HD. But I am plenty happy with the 480p picture from the VUDU, and I think most users would find it very very acceptable.

                    Sure, I'd prefer the 720p my TV can display over the component connection. Why? Because.... well, just because, right?

                    But seriously, most people will be just fine with it.

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                      #55
                      Re: Resolution of Component Connection

                      Perhaps, VUDU will have to start selling bundles with upcoming HD Fury 2 to appease all the non-HDMI users -- http://www.curtpalme.com/HDFury2.shtm

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                        #56
                        Re: Resolution of Component Connection

                        Expensive converter....looks to be full featured and support CP....One has to wonder if they licensed the HDMI and reversed engineered it?

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                          #57
                          Re: Resolution of Component Connection

                          Originally posted by MaxH View Post
                          Where does it say that 1080i is an option over component, or that the Vudu is hardwired to limit resolution (not possible, AFAIK)? From the Product (VUDU Box) page:


                          On that webpage the two columns are presented side by side - leading me to read the information line by line (HDMI 1080p .... Component 1080i ....)
                          To the extent that the internal circuitry and integrated software limit the component output, I'd still say it's a hardwired limitation.

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                            #58
                            Re: Resolution of Component Connection

                            Originally posted by kumasuki View Post
                            On that webpage the two columns are presented side by side - leading me to read the information line by line (HDMI 1080p .... Component 1080i ....)
                            It's funny, that occurred to me initially, too, so I tried to post the columns side-by-side to maintain their original appearance, but vBulletin wouldn't let me. But on what planet is S-Video capable of 720p, or composite 480p? And what about the rest of the "rows" that don't match up? They could change that header to "Video Resolutions" with an "S", though, that might help.

                            Originally posted by kumasuki View Post
                            To the extent that the internal circuitry and integrated software limit the component output, I'd still say it's a hardwired limitation.
                            It sounds like you are confusing hardware and software. If it is a physical component, it is hardware. If it is electrical information, it is software. There is no way to limit component hardware (which is pretty much just cables and jacks, in this case) to a certain resolution. That is a software issue. I think you're saying it is what I would call locked down, meaning the SOFTWARE is set up so the user can't configure it in a certain way (in this case, to display 720p or 1080i).

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                              #59
                              Re: Resolution of Component Connection

                              Originally posted by NA9D View Post
                              The upconverting DVD players that I purchased were not obvious at time of purchase that component output was limited to 480p and that the only way to get upconversion to HD resolutions was to use HDMI...
                              Actually, if I hadn't been following the controversy, hadn't known about the limitation beforehand, and had purchased one, I would have been upset. Then again, I probably would have spent waaaaay too much time on home theater forums finding out the specs. Oh wait...too late.

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                                #60
                                Re: Resolution of Component Connection

                                Originally posted by kumasuki View Post
                                On that webpage the two columns are presented side by side - leading me to read the information line by line (HDMI 1080p .... Component 1080i ....)
                                To the extent that the internal circuitry and integrated software limit the component output, I'd still say it's a hardwired limitation.
                                Max beat me to it but I'm going to chime in here as well - it's a big leap you are making to assume that the resolutions listed are for the particular outputs on the left side. That's not at all what it's saying as Max pointed out that no where on this planet does S-video provide 720p - I wish it did. Also, your conclusions could also be taken that HDMI is only capable of 1080p/24 which is just as silly.

                                I am 99.99% certain that the box is not hardware limited to 480p over component.

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