How can you tell if 1080p/24 is supported?

[Rusdude]

Re: How can you tell if 1080p/24 is supported?

Nice post! Just like Robert said, from what I hear 120Hz is now in vogue since it can scale 24, 30, and 60. However, from what I understand a big deal is that not all 120Hz TVs do it the same way and there is a thread on AVS that talks about "true" 120Hz TVs.

[HeadHodge]

Re: How can you tell if 1080p/24 is supported?

Nice post! Just like Robert said, from what I hear 120Hz is now in vogue since it can scale 24, 30, and 60. However, from what I understand a big deal is that not all 120Hz TVs do it the same way and there is a thread on AVS that talks about "true" 120Hz TVs.

Sorry to be so lazy, but do you have a link?

Thanks

[RonV]

Re: How can you tell if 1080p/24 is supported?

Sorry to be so lazy, but do you have a link?

Thanks

www.avsforum.com

You can use the search in the forum to find thread.

[HeadHodge]

Re: How can you tell if 1080p/24 is supported?

www.avsforum.com

You can use the search in the forum to find thread.

I looked the forum over for awhile, but ended up more confused than enlightened.

They talk about a variety of ways to fill the pull downs in various ways, like filling some with blank frames and talk about plasma being better for 120HZ because of the apparently inherint lag in LCD delay times, etc., etc.

So now I'm left in a fetal position sucking my thumb, trying to decide.

So Ron, just tell me which one to buy for the best VUDU picture. In Ron I trust!!

[RonV]

Re: How can you tell if 1080p/24 is supported?

I looked the forum over for awhile, but ended up more confused than enlightened.

They talk about a variety of ways to fill the pull downs in various ways, like filling some with blank frames and talk about plasma being better for 120HZ because of the apparently inherint lag in LCD delay times, etc., etc.

So now I'm left in a fetal position sucking my thumb, trying to decide.

So Ron, just tell me which one to buy for the best VUDU picture. In Ron I trust!!

Yes that site is very intimidating and there a battles going on everywhere. From my perspective they are way to **** for me and get into such fine details it just turns off a lot of folks.

I get headaches just going over the tech specs and how pull-down is handled myself. No matter what you buy somebody is going to complain about it or find something better. I used to be that **** about TV's and audio, but not anymore.

[Hagen]

Re: How can you tell if 1080p/24 is supported?

My in-laws just bought a 46" 120Hz Samsung LCD - really nice picture! ...I'm soooooooo jealous.

And yes it does 1080p 24 Hz.

Hagen

[NA9D]

Re: How can you tell if 1080p/24 is supported?

My in-laws just bought a 46" 120Hz Samsung LCD - really nice picture! ...I'm soooooooo jealous.

And yes it does 1080p 24 Hz.

Hagen

I hope they have a Vudu to go with it?

[Rusdude]

Re: How can you tell if 1080p/24 is supported?

Yes that site is very intimidating and there a battles going on everywhere. From my perspective they are way to **** for me and get into such fine details it just turns off a lot of folks.

I get headaches just going over the tech specs and how pull-down is handled myself. No matter what you buy somebody is going to complain about it or find something better. I used to be that **** about TV's and audio, but not anymore.

AVS isn't very hostile forum, but +1 for **** comments. Still, I don't know if anything will be able to eclipse BRD vs HD-DVD battle. Those threads got way out of control even on AVS.

[HeadHodge]

Re: How can you tell if 1080p/24 is supported?

My in-laws just bought a 46" 120Hz Samsung LCD - really nice picture! ...I'm soooooooo jealous.

And yes it does 1080p 24 Hz.

Hagen

Do you know if it was A650 or A71 model?

After doing lot's of work looking for my next LCD, I narrowed it down to either Samsung, Sony, or Toshiba. I'm usually a Aquos person, but they didn't pass mustard in this go around.

The one I've finally decided to buy is the Samsung 52" A650.

Since I'm buying mostly for it's 120Hz and 1080/24p for VUDU and other 24fps movie sources, I would appreciate feedback from anyone (either good or bad) before I pull the trigger.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...-20#automotion

[HeadHodge]

Re: How can you tell if 1080p/24 is supported?

Does anyone out there (hint hint, Vudu encoders) know if the content that's provided by the studios to VUDU is in it's original 24fps format or in the NTSC 3:2 pulldown telecine format?

And also does anyone know if content that is in telecine format (i.e. TV episodes) are they converted (reverse telecine) to native 24fps before encoding it?

I ask because I'm trying to make sure I buy the right tv and would like to know what VUDU is providing content wise via 1080/24p.

Thanks in advance

[RonV]

Re: How can you tell if 1080p/24 is supported?

Does anyone out there (hint hint, Vudu encoders) know if the content that's provided by the studios to VUDU is in it's original 24fps format or in the NTSC 3:2 pulldown telecine format?

And also does anyone know if content that is in telecine format (i.e. TV episodes) are they converted (reverse telecine) to native 24fps before encoding it?

I ask because I'm trying to make sure I buy the right tv and would like to know what VUDU is providing content wise via 1080/24p.

Thanks in advance

VUDU does Movies at 24 fps. Just make sure you new pannel supports 1080p24. On TV shows I am not sure. If you read AVS forum even though a lot of them say 1080p24 they still do some interesting things with refresh with 24 fps video.

[HeadHodge]

Re: How can you tell if 1080p/24 is supported?

VUDU does Movies at 24 fps. Just make sure you new pannel supports 1080p24. On TV shows I am not sure. If you read AVS forum even though a lot of them say 1080p24 they still do some interesting things with refresh with 24 fps video.

Yea I've been lurking their forum alot and some tv's have a thing called "film mode" and it's supposedly able to detect the 3:2:3 cadence of a telecine'd video and then de-telecine it back to 24fps. But as far as I can tell nome of the tv's out now are really able to do it or do it properly.

So that's one of the reasons I'm asking, is wheter VUDU is doing the de-telecine before encoding or if the content providers are doing that before giving the content to VUDU, or if it's being done at all.

[HeadHodge]

Re: How can you tell if 1080p/24 is supported?

VUDU does Movies at 24 fps. Just make sure you new pannel supports 1080p24. On TV shows I am not sure. If you read AVS forum even though a lot of them say 1080p24 they still do some interesting things with refresh with 24 fps video.

So maybe another way to ask the question is to ask is if the VUDU movies are native 24fps then does the VUDU box telecine the video to output 1080i??

[RonV]

Re: How can you tell if 1080p/24 is supported?

So maybe another way to ask the question is to ask is if the VUDU movies are native 24fps then does the VUDU box telecine the video to output 1080i??

The VUDU doesn't present 3:2:3 commonly known as 3:2 pull-down. That is a artifact of DVD video being sent to 60 fps devices which when implemented produces "Judder".

The VUDU produces the pure 24 fps video and if 1080i is the chosen output format its up to the panel to re-assemble the two frames to create the one frame. That process is dependent again on the manufacture of the panel.

Isn't this HD technology wonderful everything just just plug and play.

[HeadHodge]

Re: How can you tell if 1080p/24 is supported?

The VUDU doesn't present 3:2:3 commonly known as 3:2 pull-down. That is a artifact of DVD video being sent to 60 fps devices which when implemented produces "Judder".

The VUDU produces the pure 24 fps video and if 1080i is the chosen output format its up to the panel to re-assemble the two frames to create the one frame. That process is dependent again on the manufacture of the panel.

Isn't this HD technology wonderful everything just just plug and play.

The whole thing gives me the Judders