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    Vudu network warning due to limited outbound bandwidth

    I was somewhat surprised today when I noticed that my Vudu was claiming it had network issues...

    So, I'll admit the Vudu's outbound bandwidth has been severely limited lately due to IVSing the latest Democratic Debate to a couple of fellow poopli users from my ReplayTV, but I'm the one paying for the bandwidth, so I'm going to allocate it as I see fit.

    How much bandwidth do I need to reserve for the Vudu to keep it from complaining? My Cable connection is only 512kb/s outbound, so the 100-200kb/s number I've seen thrown about is a pretty large chunk of my bandwidth.

    I haven't tried watching a movie since the Vudu started complaining, but will I still get instant viewing, or is the Vudu going to penalize me for limiting it's outbound bandwidth?
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    Re: Vudu network warning due to limited outbound bandwidth

    Ed has done some tests with his replay environment for what he was able to bring it down to before he was impacting streaming...I don't remember what the number was.

    What I have done is put the VUDU one level up in my QOS queue over other non-critical sharing applications. If you are running a router with QOS capabilities or 3rd party firmware like tomato, its best to use the queues to prioritize bandwidth vs setting a hard value.

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      Re: Vudu network warning due to limited outbound bandwidth

      I'm glad I have FIOS. My 5mbs up connection has been fine for my usage so far. 30mbs down is great too but I admit I wish it was even faster. Although I guess I can't complain for $55 a month. Although once my year contractis up with FIOS I don't know what will happen.

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        Re: Vudu network warning due to limited outbound bandwidth

        We don't have FIOS here in the Chicago area. We are stuck with Commicast or the AT&T Death Star. Both are part of the "Evil Empire" when it comes to bandwidth.

        Commicast will send letters of bandwith abuse without telling you how you abused it based on a policy and AT&T will just shut off ports and not tell. They both give a small hole for uploads and a bigger hole for downloads.

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          Re: Vudu network warning due to limited outbound bandwidth

          Originally posted by RonV View Post
          Ed has done some tests with his replay environment for what he was able to bring it down to before he was impacting streaming...I don't remember what the number was.

          What I have done is put the VUDU one level up in my QOS queue over other non-critical sharing applications. If you are running a router with QOS capabilities or 3rd party firmware like tomato, its best to use the queues to prioritize bandwidth vs setting a hard value.

          I'm running tomato. I had my Vudu above the Replays originally, but I figured the people would want to see the last debate before next one I was surprised at how active the Vudu has been lately. Must be moving the HD heads around.

          I realize I need to provide the Vudu the specified 2Mb/s of inbound bandwidth or I can't expect instant viewing, but I won't be real happy if it punishes me for using my much more limited outbound bandwidth (no specified requirement that I've seen) as I see fit.
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            Re: Vudu network warning due to limited outbound bandwidth

            Originally posted by skeeterfood View Post
            I'm running tomato. I had my Vudu above the Replays originally, but I figured the people would want to see the last debate before next one I was surprised at how active the Vudu has been lately. Must be moving the HD heads around.

            I realize I need to provide the Vudu the specified 2Mb/s of inbound bandwidth or I can't expect instant viewing, but I won't be real happy if it punishes me for using my much more limited outbound bandwidth (no specified requirement that I've seen) as I see fit.
            Streaming a movie does require confirmation packets back to the peers hosting the streams. This is so the VUDU can coordinate the peers. So if you do give priority to the Replays and they are heavily using your outbound pipe you can run into issues where you can't stream and viewing experiance would be interruped.

            Hey I didn't know you are a Henny Youngman fan....so am I...

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              Re: Vudu network warning due to limited outbound bandwidth

              Originally posted by skeeterfood View Post
              I realize I need to provide the Vudu the specified 2Mb/s of inbound bandwidth or I can't expect instant viewing, but I won't be real happy if it punishes me for using my much more limited outbound bandwidth (no specified requirement that I've seen) as I see fit.
              The thing is, for you to get instant viewing, somebody else has to be providing the content. If everyone throttled their outbound traffic too much, everyone would suffer. It seems that if you benefit from the P2P, you should contribute to it as well.

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                Re: Vudu network warning due to limited outbound bandwidth

                Originally posted by redwein View Post
                The thing is, for you to get instant viewing, somebody else has to be providing the content. If everyone throttled their outbound traffic too much, everyone would suffer. It seems that if you benefit from the P2P, you should contribute to it as well.
                I would happily contribute bandwidth if I could set it higher. I have 5mbs outbound that I rarely max out so I would have no problem letting the VUDU box use up to 3 or 4 mbs if that were an option.
                And since FIOS has no limit on how much data you transfer I wouldn't have to worry about hitting any type of limit.

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                  Re: Vudu network warning due to limited outbound bandwidth

                  Originally posted by skeeterfood View Post
                  I'm running tomato. I had my Vudu above the Replays originally, but I figured the people would want to see the last debate before next one I was surprised at how active the Vudu has been lately. Must be moving the HD heads around.

                  I realize I need to provide the Vudu the specified 2Mb/s of inbound bandwidth or I can't expect instant viewing, but I won't be real happy if it punishes me for using my much more limited outbound bandwidth (no specified requirement that I've seen) as I see fit.
                  I'm also a Tomato head and only have about 512K upload from Roadrunner cable internet service. The following advise will bother Ron, as he does not like to use the ABCDE classifications.

                  I have found it to be very effective to have the Vudus in my Class C while my 5 Replay 5000's and IVSmagic server are assigned to Class A. My Bit Torrent ports are all assigned to Class D, which I usually have clamped down to 10%-15% of my upload service. Whenever I want to have instant HD (like you will have access to next week) I open up the pipe for the Vudu's to upload as much as needed (say 90% allowed). When the HD movie is over, I throttle it back again as needed to balance my IVS traffic, typically in the 30% range. This leaves 300-350K for IVS when the Vudu is active (i.e. watching a movie). Most of the time it only seems to use less than 50K for the background peer action.

                  I use my Highest group for DNS

                  I use my High group for VOIP

                  I use my Medium group for WWW activity

                  I use my Low group for bulk DNS and WWW activity

                  I use my Lowest group for all other ports.

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                    Re: Vudu network warning due to limited outbound bandwidth

                    Originally posted by RonV View Post
                    Commicast will send letters of bandwith abuse without telling you how you abused it based on a policy
                    So glad I have Comcast Business! I've uploaded over 375 GB to Mozy over the last few months (near continuous upload) along with Vudu and IVS sends. I am sure I'd get the nasty grams if I had the consumer service!

                    Anyhow, I think Ron put it the past way in that there is a lot of ack traffic going back and forth when streaming a movie. For every peer sending you data, you have to answer it back. The number of connections really grows. If IVS has all the bandwidth, you can't get the acks out quick enough like Ron stated.

                    You may also want to try increasing the number of TCP connections on your router beyond the default. Also, decrease the TCP timeout time. For example, the default in DD-WRT is something like 3600 seconds. If you put it down to 240 seconds or something like that your router will run more efficiently with all the connections and be more stable. I had my router crawl to its knees one point before I did that...

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                      Re: Vudu network warning due to limited outbound bandwidth

                      I'm jealous of the FIOS. We don't have it here (in Silicon Valley of all places). That's why I have 2 6 MB DSL lines and an 8 MB cable modem combined with a load balancing router.

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                        Re: Vudu network warning due to limited outbound bandwidth

                        I've come to an even simpler solution and it works very, very well.

                        I'm backing up a lot of data with Mozy right now. Problem was, I had IVS sends set to the lowest priority in DD-WRT. I had my computer running Mozy set to an above normal priority and the Vudus weren't set at all which means they are at standard. Problem was when I had IVS transfers going, they'd crawl. I need the computer running Mozy to run at something other than low priority.

                        Bottom line - I set EVERYTHING - IVS, Vudu, Computer - to standard priority. The only things higher are VoIP, Skype and Slingbox. It works really well.

                        The data rate ends up splitting quite evenly among just about everything and I have no issues. Yeah, it's not sending my IVS with my full upload pipe, but so what. I'm able to make all services happy...



                        Originally posted by Nded View Post
                        I'm also a Tomato head and only have about 512K upload from Roadrunn
                        I use my Highest group for DNS

                        I use my High group for VOIP

                        I use my Medium group for WWW activity

                        I use my Low group for bulk DNS and WWW activity

                        I use my Lowest group for all other ports.

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                          Re: Vudu network warning due to limited outbound bandwidth

                          Originally posted by redwein View Post
                          I'm jealous of the FIOS. We don't have it here (in Silicon Valley of all places). That's why I have 2 6 MB DSL lines and an 8 MB cable modem combined with a load balancing router.
                          Have you looked into wiline.com ? I just saw they have a 15 Mbit (both directions) plan for $40! You may be able to get that where you live.

                          -- Greg

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                            Re: Vudu network warning due to limited outbound bandwidth

                            How well do you like this Mozy service. How quickly can you upload/download data to/from it?

                            Originally posted by NA9D View Post
                            I've come to an even simpler solution and it works very, very well.

                            I'm backing up a lot of data with Mozy right now. Problem was, I had IVS sends set to the lowest priority in DD-WRT. I had my computer running Mozy set to an above normal priority and the Vudus weren't set at all which means they are at standard. Problem was when I had IVS transfers going, they'd crawl. I need the computer running Mozy to run at something other than low priority.

                            Bottom line - I set EVERYTHING - IVS, Vudu, Computer - to standard priority. The only things higher are VoIP, Skype and Slingbox. It works really well.

                            The data rate ends up splitting quite evenly among just about everything and I have no issues. Yeah, it's not sending my IVS with my full upload pipe, but so what. I'm able to make all services happy...

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                              Re: Vudu network warning due to limited outbound bandwidth

                              Originally posted by Greg View Post
                              Have you looked into wiline.com ? I just saw they have a 15 Mbit (both directions) plan for $40! You may be able to get that where you live.
                              Thanks Greg. I'll check it out.

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