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    Who encodes the movie?

    I assume Vudu, but kinda curious of the process. Do they get a master digital from the studio and turn it into SD/HD/HDX, or is it some other method?

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    Re: Who encodes the movie?

    Originally posted by elwaylite View Post
    I assume Vudu, but kinda curious of the process. Do they get a master digital from the studio and turn it into SD/HD/HDX, or is it some other method?
    This is my understanding...

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      Re: Who encodes the movie?

      Originally posted by NA9D View Post
      This is my understanding...

      Ah, OK. So Vudu developed the HDX encode internally then.

      They get a digital with a set release schedule, its then their job to encode it and prep it for us to enjoy


      I wonder in what form the digital version comes.

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        Re: Who encodes the movie?

        Originally posted by elwaylite View Post
        Ah, OK. So Vudu developed the HDX encode internally then.

        They get a digital with a set release schedule, its then their job to encode it and prep it for us to enjoy


        I wonder in what form the digital version comes.
        I wrote to Paramount Pictures asking them that very question, because Shultzy wouldn't answer me. They never returned my query.

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          Re: Who encodes the movie?

          Originally posted by HeadHodge View Post
          I wrote to Paramount Pictures asking them that very question, because Shultzy wouldn't answer me. They never returned my query.
          I haven't answered you cause I really do not know!

          All I have heard is they get a "digital master." No idea on file size or format. I do seem to recall reading somewhere (not related to Vudu) that digital masters are something like 80 Gigabytes in size for a typical movie...

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            Re: Who encodes the movie?

            80, dang!

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              Re: Who encodes the movie?

              Don't bet your paycheck on that number. It seems to ring a bell for the size but I can't remember where I read it....

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                Re: Who encodes the movie?

                There is more info in Wired magazine of what the size of studio masters are. I think last or two month they did a review of the "Red" digital camera and the costs of the studio maintaining digital libraries of movies vs. film. The numbers were staggering.

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                  Re: Who encodes the movie?

                  Originally posted by NA9D View Post
                  I haven't answered you cause I really do not know!

                  All I have heard is they get a "digital master." No idea on file size or format. I do seem to recall reading somewhere (not related to Vudu) that digital masters are somethhttp://www.interfacebus.com/Serial_Digital_Interface_SDI_Video.htmling like 80 Gigabytes in size for a typical movie...
                  After all the time and effort I put into it, my best guess is that SDI video equipment is used as an interface to receve and encode video content.

                  http://www.interfacebus.com/Serial_D...SDI_Video.html

                  From previous posts I think there is a strong inference that the content is coming from video distributors and not necessarily directly from the studio itself.

                  It's lame but it was as far as I could get.

                  For all I really know, VUDU could be getting their content direct from film and using a Sony camcorder to encode it in a smokey projector room on the companies 2nd floor.

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                    Re: Who encodes the movie?

                    Some time ago, there was an article about VUDU or interview with one of VUDU folks and it was mentioned that VUDU does some work in-house and outsources some. Didn't mention exact percentage.

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                      Re: Who encodes the movie?

                      This is for you Shultzy. I found it an interesting post. It supports what you're saying in a little different way.

                      For either MPEG-2 or MPEG-4, you can either send 1080p24 at a slightly lower bit rate than 1080i30 for the same level of artifacting, or if they are sent at the same bit rate 1080p24 will have slightly-fewer motion artifacts. This is for two reasons, there are slightly fewer bits needed to send 24 fps than 30 fps (even though content originally acquired as 1080p24 and sent as 1080i30 does pulldown before transmission and pulls it up again at the decoder meaning both formats send 24 fps). Also, interlaced content doesn't compress as efficiently as progressive.

                      As far as "balancing bit rate vs. resolution" the only way to do that is to choose a resolution. Once something is formatted at a particular resolution (1920x1080, for instance) there is no more ability to massage resolution, as that is fixed. The only parameter left to massage is bit rate. And there you have two choices: fix the bit rate ceiling individually (and let things pixellate whenever the bit rate required to fully encode properly slams up against it) or statmux multiple program streams within the same MPTS, which can usually make it appear that the bit rate ceiling is actually a bit higher than it is, maybe as much as 5-30% depending on the content, the number of streams, and how "busy" the video is in each stream.

                      People tend not to understand (or desire to not believe) an underlying principle of bitstream compression, which is that if there are enough bits available to fully encode, more bits will not and can not improve anything, especially quality (assuming all else is held equal). If there are enough bits to encode all pixels of something at a particular resolution at a bit rate of 9 Mb/s, for instance, then increasing that bit rate to 90 Mb or 900 Mb buys you absolutely nothing regarding quality. IOW, it will look exactly the same. The other bits hold no pertinent data, and might as well be stuffing or null bits (which is what they are functionally equivalent to).

                      The only reason a 1080p60 bit rate is typically twice that of 1080i30, is because it has to be to keep the same quality as 1080i30. There are twice as many pixels, yet it is of the same exact resolution, which means it won't be any sharper, and can't possibly "pop" any more than 1080i30 or 1080p24. The improvement, which is very minute, is in its ability to have the same lack of interlace error and high field rate as 720p, and to also have the same resolution as 1080i30, which means it will perform slightly better during motion than 1080i30, and will enjoy slightly better perceived resolution than 720p.

                      The reason we won't see 1080p60 is because it is so highly inefficient, yielding a very tiny payoff for a huge penalty (virtual doubling) in bit rate. It makes no business sense to cut your delivery capacity it half for a tiny benefit in quality, especially if you are a cable or DBS vendor, and your profits are tied to actually reducing bandwidth per carrier. If you attempted to send 1080p60 at a 1080i30 bit rate, it would look like hammered dog-$#!+. Yet if you tried to download a properly-compressed 1080p60 movie (don't worry, you probably won't get that opportunity for a very long time) it would take at least twice as long to do. Would you buy a microwave that cooks twice as slow but makes your fishsticks taste only marginally better?

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