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    Test patterns, are they on the short list?

    I am convinced after watching Hellboy 2 tonight that the black crush I'm seeing is due to the fact that my Fujitsu was calibrated to work with another HD output device.

    I have had my Fuji professionally calibrated by an ISF certified technician, which of course requires loading up a DVD and generating a test pattern.

    Can Vudu provide a way to show a test pattern from the advanced screen? I would think this is a very easy upgrade to the software. As of now dark scenes are totaly crushed on my monitor. I could have my ISF guy come and we could load up a film that he is familiar with and he could calibrate that way, but I think that would still be somewhat hackish compared to what should be done for this display.
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    Re: Test patterns, are they on the short list?

    I've seen a few posts complaining about the black crush but even after watching some very dark movies like Pitch Black and The Strangers I've yet to see it. I can only conclude that I've been lucky with LCD calibration (last time I calibrated it was when I bought my Oppo DVD player).

    Test patterns sound like a very good idea. A few static images accessible from the set up screen. Instructions could be placed in the online faq or here in the forums for the uninitiated (or for those like me who have just forgotten!)

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      Re: Test patterns, are they on the short list?

      It's interesting. I've never calibrated my plasma display. I've yet to see any of the black crush that people (not just you) have stated on an HDX encode. in fact, the only people who have said they have seen it are people who have had their monitors calibrated...

      Don't get me wrong - a calibration video should indeed be part of the permanent library on Vudu - no question about it. I just find it interesting.

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        Re: Test patterns, are they on the short list?

        Originally posted by NA9D View Post
        It's interesting. I've never calibrated my plasma display. I've yet to see any of the black crush that people (not just you) have stated on an HDX encode. in fact, the only people who have said they have seen it are people who have had their monitors calibrated...

        Don't get me wrong - a calibration video should indeed be part of the permanent library on Vudu - no question about it. I just find it interesting.
        Yeah its going to vary widely by manufacturer and model. Even one manufacturer from year to year will ship the sets with different defaults.

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          Re: Test patterns, are they on the short list?

          Originally posted by jokeysmurf View Post
          Yeah its going to vary widely by manufacturer and model. Even one manufacturer from year to year will ship the sets with different defaults.
          You obviously missed my point. Let me make it a little more pointed:

          - You spent, I don't know how much to have your TV professionally calibrated.

          - I spent ZERO dollars to have my screen calibrated and set the colors and all to the way I like them.

          - You have black crush issues with the HDX movies.

          - I have no such issues with any source.

          Ergo: Does calibration really help?

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            Re: Test patterns, are they on the short list?

            My professionally calibrated sets are fine.

            I try to get my main set calibrated once a year. Although last year I had 3 visits. One for my Toshiba DLP and two for my Samsung LED DLP.

            Since my first professional calibration in 2001, I consider it a requirement for my main viewing display.

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              Re: Test patterns, are they on the short list?

              Originally posted by NA9D View Post
              You obviously missed my point. Let me make it a little more pointed:

              - You spent, I don't know how much to have your TV professionally calibrated.

              ......snip......

              Ergo: Does calibration really help?
              I would think this depends on a number of factors:

              1) The quality and "calibratability" of the device in question.

              2) The skills/talents/tools of the professional involved.

              3) The eye of the beholder.

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                Re: Test patterns, are they on the short list?

                Originally posted by NA9D View Post
                You obviously missed my point. Let me make it a little more pointed:

                - You spent, I don't know how much to have your TV professionally calibrated.

                - I spent ZERO dollars to have my screen calibrated and set the colors and all to the way I like them.

                - You have black crush issues with the HDX movies.

                - I have no such issues with any source.

                Ergo: Does calibration really help?
                Of course it helps. But the fact that your TV is the way you like it suggests that you are not interested in seeing the films as the director and cinematographer had intended them to be seen. I don't know what kind of TV you have, but starting with that data point, your ability to actually see films as intended for theater will vary wildly. I am interested in precision film reproduction as part of my viewing experience. You might not care, and simply want to see films with sharp detail, a better experience than your p-scan DVD player. For me that is not nearly enough.

                So ISF helps, but every TV must be calibrated against each separate input. That means if you have a PS3, a Vudu, a cablebox and a Toshiba HD-DVD player, four inputs require separate changes in your TV's color calibration menu. That is because all four devices treat color differently. If you lack black crush in your current setup, I can gaurantee you the rest of your PQ is off in some other respect that you probably don't notice, and therefore believe to be insignificant.

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                  Re: Test patterns, are they on the short list?

                  Originally posted by jokeysmurf View Post
                  -I don't know what kind of TV you have, but starting with that data point, your ability to actually see films as intended for theater will vary wildly.
                  This is what Shultzy watches HDX movies on.




                  This is what Shultzy uses for Instant HD viewing.





                  That's why he's not sure if he should have them calibrated or not.

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                    Re: Test patterns, are they on the short list?

                    No Hodge, it's a big Zenith Console with vacuum tubes.

                    For the record: my TV is a 50" LG plasma.

                    And I don't doubt calibration is effective and gives a better picture. No question. My point is simply that the people who have complained about black levels with Vudu are the people who have their sets professionally calibrated. I am very sensitive to black level and depth of detail (which is why I went plasma over LCD for one thing). On HDX, I have never seen what has been talked about.

                    I would suggest that if getting down to the "film" quality is as important as you say, then I would get the Vudu input professionally calibrated.

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                      Re: Test patterns, are they on the short list?

                      Originally posted by NA9D View Post
                      No Hodge, it's a big Zenith Console with vacuum tubes.

                      For the record: my TV is a 50" LG plasma.

                      And I don't doubt calibration is effective and gives a better picture. No question. My point is simply that the people who have complained about black levels with Vudu are the people who have their sets professionally calibrated. I am very sensitive to black level and depth of detail (which is why I went plasma over LCD for one thing). On HDX, I have never seen what has been talked about.

                      I would suggest that if getting down to the "film" quality is as important as you say, then I would get the Vudu input professionally calibrated.
                      This could suggest, if the number of cases is statistically significant (which I doubt, since we're talking about a few people that you've noticed), is that the Vudu is by default outputting its colors quite differently than the norm of other HD devices.

                      It calls for too much speculation and is sort of useless. Until Vudu provides a calibration pattern, there is not much true calibration that we could do.

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                        Re: Test patterns, are they on the short list?

                        During a calibration you typically have the TV calibrated for your main source. In my case it was my Blu-ray Disc player. Then all my other sources are adjusted through my external video processor. So the calibrator checks the other sources and does the adjustments from the scaler. For something like the VUDU he puts a signal generator on that input then actually looks at the content to make adjustments since there are no test patterns to use.

                        Worst case if i don't feel things look right from the VUDU I can make adjustments in my video processor, but the 8 titles I've watched this past week have all looked fine.

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                          Re: Test patterns, are they on the short list?

                          Well, to bring this thread ever so slightly back to the original topic...

                          Sounds like a good candidate to add to VUDU Labs (no further comment )

                          In the mean time, you can always upload whatever images you want to a Picasa or Flickr album... (try "jcpage" on the Picasa app for an example - ignore the other album, unless you really like random vacation photos of Big Sur...)

                          I'll move those to the "VUDU Demo" account once I track down whoever created it... any suggestions on useful additions?

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                            Re: Test patterns, are they on the short list?

                            Originally posted by Jake View Post
                            Well, to bring this thread ever so slightly back to the original topic...

                            Sounds like a good candidate to add to VUDU Labs (no further comment )

                            In the mean time, you can always upload whatever images you want to a Picasa or Flickr album... (try "jcpage" on the Picasa app for an example - ignore the other album, unless you really like random vacation photos of Big Sur...)

                            I'll move those to the "VUDU Demo" account once I track down whoever created it... any suggestions on useful additions?
                            If possible, I would vote for additionally some sort of DD5.1 audio test, to verify the proper operation of each speaker, proper volume adjustments, and possibly proper speaker phase.

                            My BR player had something like that as an option in it's setup process. But I've sold my BR player after buying VUDU and now have nothing.

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                              Re: Test patterns, are they on the short list?

                              Originally posted by Jake View Post
                              Sounds like a good candidate to add to VUDU Labs (no further comment )
                              It would be great if they were included in Vudu labs and someone wrote up a good how to article on how to use them via the Vudu.

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