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    #1

    How can you tell if 1080p/24 is supported?

    Hey gang,

    A co-worker is looking to get a new 50" Panasonic plasma (TH-50PZ700U) and we are wondering how you can tell if the TV supports 1080p/24. The specs on the TV and in the store just say 1080p.

    Is there some other spec I should look for?

    Jon
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    Re: How can you tell if 1080p/24 is supported?

    According to CNET it does NOT support 1080P/24. They reviewed the 42 inch version of the same TV and say that other than the size the TV's are identical.

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      #3
      Re: How can you tell if 1080p/24 is supported?

      You could bring your Vudu to the store and try it.

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        #4
        Re: How can you tell if 1080p/24 is supported?

        So, I again ask: In general, how do you know if 1080p/24 is supported?

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          Re: How can you tell if 1080p/24 is supported?

          Best sources are AVS Forum and CNET reviews. I don't think that there is a generic way to "know" for sure. CNET uses sources that try to connect to the TV in 1080P/24 format and report the outcome.
          So may be bringing your VUDU box to the store really is the best option.

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            Re: How can you tell if 1080p/24 is supported?

            Originally posted by NA9D View Post
            Hey gang,

            A co-worker is looking to get a new 50" Panasonic plasma (TH-50PZ700U) and we are wondering how you can tell if the TV supports 1080p/24. The specs on the TV and in the store just say 1080p.

            Is there some other spec I should look for?

            Jon
            When you say "spec" (the one you've looked at) do you mean specs that vendors/websites will advertise?
            I usually try to find the actual manual for the device - usually online - from the manufacturer site, and they usually have a section towards the end with a lot of tech stuff (for instance, sync frequencies, etc...). Maybe you'll find it there (if this isn't what you already looked at).

            -- Greg

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              Re: How can you tell if 1080p/24 is supported?

              Originally posted by Greg View Post
              When you say "spec" (the one you've looked at) do you mean specs that vendors/websites will advertise?
              I usually try to find the actual manual for the device - usually online - from the manufacturer site, and they usually have a section towards the end with a lot of tech stuff (for instance, sync frequencies, etc...). Maybe you'll find it there (if this isn't what you already looked at).

              -- Greg
              Is the vertical frequency the same as the frame rate? Because the manual does list the modes and frequencies...

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                Re: How can you tell if 1080p/24 is supported?

                Originally posted by NA9D View Post
                Is the vertical frequency the same as the frame rate? Because the manual does list the modes and frequencies...
                No, it is not. Vertical Frequency is measured in kHz, and Frame Rate is measured in fps.

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                  Re: How can you tell if 1080p/24 is supported?

                  Originally posted by Nded View Post
                  No, it is not. Vertical Frequency is measured in kHz, and Frame Rate is measured in fps.
                  I know the units things are in. Except vertical frequency is in Hz not kHz (horizontal frequency is in kHz). However, 1 Hz = 1 cycle per second. So 1 frame per second is equal to 1 Hz. Therefore 60 fps is kinda like 60 Hz. In each case we are talking "something" per second. My question was more to the question of if they are directly related - meaning: Will a 1080p/24 monitor operate with a vertical frequency of 24 KHz. Because the vertical frequencies listed for 480p, 720p, 1080i, etc. are all 60 Hz or thereabout.

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                    Re: How can you tell if 1080p/24 is supported?

                    Originally posted by NA9D View Post
                    I know the units things are in. Except vertical frequency is in Hz not kHz (horizontal frequency is in kHz). However, 1 Hz = 1 cycle per second. So 1 frame per second is equal to 1 Hz. Therefore 60 fps is kinda like 60 Hz. In each case we are talking "something" per second. My question was more to the question of if they are directly related - meaning: Will a 1080p/24 monitor operate with a vertical frequency of 24 KHz. Because the vertical frequencies listed for 480p, 720p, 1080i, etc. are all 60 Hz or thereabout.
                    Look for multiples of 24 Hz... do you see any?
                    If not, you could look at other frequencies: there are tricks that TVs can play to show X fps with a Y refresh frequency (with X < Y), by showing the same frame for more than one refresh period. Usually you can tell the trick is active in scenes that involve camera "travelling" as it is not smooth anymore. I don't know if I would call these "true 24 fps" displays though.
                    Then again, I'm no video expert.

                    -- Greg

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                      Re: How can you tell if 1080p/24 is supported?

                      BTW, I think there is an explanation of the "trick" here: http://www.zerocut.com/tech/pulldown.html

                      -- Greg

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                        Re: How can you tell if 1080p/24 is supported?

                        Here are the modes. It didn't quite copy right but the horizontal frequency in kHz is the first number after the display modes and then the vertical fequency in Hz is the second...


                        horizontal frequency (kHz) vertical frequency (Hz) COMPONENT HDMI PC
                        525 (480) / 60i 15.73 59.94 * *
                        525 (480) /60p 31.47 59.94 * *
                        750 (720) /60p 45.00 59.94 * *
                        1,125 (1,080) /60i 33.75 59.94 * *
                        1,125 (1,080) /60p 67.43 59.94 *
                        1,125 (1,080) /60p 67.50 60.00 *
                        640 ? 400 @70 31.47 70.08 *
                        640 ? 480 @60 31.47 59.94 *
                        Macintosh13? (640 ? 480) 35.00 66.67 *
                        640 ? 480 @75 37.50 75.00 *
                        852 ? 480 @60 31.47 59.94 *
                        800 ? 600 @60 37.88 60.32 *
                        800 ? 600 @75 46.88 75.00 *
                        800 ? 600 @85 53.67 85.08 *
                        Macintosh16? (832 ? 624) 49.73 74.55 *
                        1,024 ? 768 @60 48.36 60.00 *
                        1,024 ? 768 @70 56.48 70.07 *
                        1,024 ? 768 @75 60.02 75.03 *
                        1,024 ? 768 @85 68.68 85.00 *
                        Macintosh 21? (1,152 ? 870) 68.68 75.06 *
                        1,280 ? 1,024 @60 63.98 60.02 *
                        1,366 ? 768 @60 48.36 60.00 *

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                          Re: How can you tell if 1080p/24 is supported?

                          Originally posted by NA9D View Post
                          Hey gang,

                          A co-worker is looking to get a new 50&quot; Panasonic plasma (TH-50PZ700U) and we are wondering how you can tell if the TV supports 1080p/24. The specs on the TV and in the store just say 1080p.

                          Is there some other spec I should look for?

                          Jon
                          Thanks for asking the question again because I posed the same question in "The Perfect Home Theater" and did not get any answers. Maybe I did not pose it as a question.

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                            Re: How can you tell if 1080p/24 is supported?

                            Originally posted by mag12203 View Post
                            Thanks for asking the question again because I posed the same question in "The Perfect Home Theater" and did not get any answers. Maybe I did not pose it as a question.
                            Maybe you did!

                            I think it's hard to tell, but it seems to me that the TV manual is the best place to look.

                            Thinking about it, 1080p/24 really is true "full HD." It's the same frame rate as the movie was filmed in originally. 1080p/60 is really not much different from 1080i/30. Instead of two sets of images at 30 frames a second, it's one set at 60 frames a second. That's the "easy" way to do it. Going to 24 frames is a lot different.

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                              #15
                              Re: How can you tell if 1080p/24 is supported?

                              I just purchased my Vudu and learned that my Sony KDL-40XBR2 is 1080p/60 capable, not 1080p/24. From my online reading, looks like 1080p/60 is much more common than 1080p/24. Any chance of Vudu adding 1080p/60 capability?

                              Given my Sony's native mode is 1080p, the Vudu 1080i signal is being upscaled, correct? If so, am I really missing out on anything?

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