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    #16
    Re: Question about Rent vs Purchase

    Originally posted by aaronwt View Post
    HD is a big deal for any movie. My first, second and third choice if for HD, SD would be my fourth choice. After 7 years of watching HD content I'd like everything to be HD but unfortunately everything isn't. But for almost all movies, if it isn't in HD, I won't watch it.
    Although I will say prior to VUDU around 95% of the content I watched was HD, since getting the VUDU I've probably dropped that to 90%.
    I'm not having much luck at getting my point across, but I agree with mebby that VUDU SD content is really, really good and compares favorably with DVD media content.

    So for a drama or anything that doesn't involve lot's of special effects or action, how much value add is there for that type of movie in HD?? Maybe, being able to see their nose hairs or pores??

    And on top of that, isn't there some sort of rule of thumb that says technology must improve by a factor 10 times or more to claim it as an improvement that consumers would be willing to adopt??

    After watching both VUDU SD and HD content I'm not really convinced they have acheived that seperation of quality to warrant the extra cost.

    Regards

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      #17
      Re: Question about Rent vs Purchase

      Originally posted by HeadHodge View Post

      And on top of that, isn't there some sort of rule of thumb that says technology must improve by a factor 10 times or more to claim it as an improvement that consumers would be willing to adopt??
      You are correct there. When DVD came out and the cost of the players came down to the sub 200 range the players flew off the shelves since the quality of the DVD was far superior to VHS in both video and audio. Also the size of storing the media along with not having to rewind. Most households equipment didn't have to be ungraded to get this improvement in quality. Just just connected the DVD player to the receiver and TV and they got the benefit. It was a "Home Run" in the world of consumer adoption.

      HD in the DVD market only has superior video and audio quality under certain conditions. And to see that quality the average consumer will have to put up with players that are increasing in price not decreasing. Also standards that are in flux.

      To experience HD fully they would have to upgrade their TV's to HDMI/CP 50" and larger panels. Also their audio receivers need upgrading to support the new DD and DTS standards along with 7.1 speaker systems A rather expensive proposition for the unwashed masses.

      Finally the media that doesn't have the 5.00 DVD pricing of SD DVD's on Tuesday's when the stores are dumping their inventory. The average cost of the Blu-Ray disc now is about 29.95 with Tuesday releases coming in at 24.95.

      So the formula of HD in the DVD market does match the formula of the VHS to DVD migration. I would say right now the market is in the "Hit By Pitch" mode and only the A/V elite are taking advantage. The rest are in the dugout saying "Show me the magic coach."

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        #18
        Re: Question about Rent vs Purchase

        Originally posted by aaronwt View Post
        After 7 years of watching HD content I'd like everything to be HD but unfortunately everything isn't. But for almost all movies, if it isn't in HD, I won't watch it.
        How were you watching movies on your TV in HD for the last 7 years? There is a much bigger delta between SD and HD television than there is between DVD and HD movies. I totally agree on the television side. SD television is painful to watch. But DVD quality movies (and Vudu's SD is really that or better for the most part), still seem entirely watchable.

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          #19
          Re: Question about Rent vs Purchase

          Originally posted by redwein View Post
          How were you watching movies on your TV in HD for the last 7 years? There is a much bigger delta between SD and HD television than there is between DVD and HD movies. I totally agree on the television side. SD television is painful to watch. But DVD quality movies (and Vudu's SD is really that or better for the most part), still seem entirely watchable.
          I've suggested several times that VUDU change their terminology and are doing a disservice to themselves by not doing so.

          Full Screen should be changed to SD/stereo.

          SD Widescreen should be changed to DVD Quality/Surround Sound.

          HD with Stereo should be changed to RIPPED-OFF!!

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            #20
            Re: Question about Rent vs Purchase

            Originally posted by redwein View Post
            How were you watching movies on your TV in HD for the last 7 years? There is a much bigger delta between SD and HD television than there is between DVD and HD movies. I totally agree on the television side. SD television is painful to watch. But DVD quality movies (and Vudu's SD is really that or better for the most part), still seem entirely watchable.
            I have over 1TB of movies I recorded from OTA back then, Like Raiders, Temple of Doom, etc. HD movies, just recorded from OTA HD broadcasts. At one point in 2003, I had a PC with 12 hard drives in it for 3TB of storage. The 250GB drives cost $300 back then.
            I used to have more but I've deleted alot of content or lost alot when a couple of drives accidentally had a defrag program run on it. The defrag program couldn't handle the larger files from the HD recordings I had on it so it messed up the files and the movies won't play properly now. I had two HiPix cards I bought in the Summer of 2001 for HD recordings. I had been time shifting my TV watching since 1984 so there was no way I wanted to watch HD in real time. The HiPix cards were basically a digital VCR. Not sophisticated like everything is now with the guide data.

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              #21
              Re: Question about Rent vs Purchase

              Originally posted by HeadHodge View Post
              I've suggested several times that VUDU change their terminology and are doing a disservice to themselves by not doing so.

              Full Screen should be changed to SD/stereo.

              SD Widescreen should be changed to DVD Quality/Surround Sound.

              HD with Stereo should be changed to RIPPED-OFF!!
              Hodgey, Hodgey, Hodgey,

              Vudu is simply matching the terminology in the movie industry. Full Screen is intended to mean a 4:3 sized screen. You see, traditionally, a widescreen movie wouldn't not fill up the TV sets we all had. So the term letterbox and full screen were adopted. Now, the full screen moniker has stuck but letterbox has become "widescreen."

              Also, SD Widescreen movies are not necessarily in Surround sound. Additionally, you can't say that SD Widescreen = DVD quality while Full Screen does not. There are a lot of DVDs made in 'full screen."

              I agree HD w/o DD5.1 = ripped off. But that's a provider issue!

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                #22
                Re: Question about Rent vs Purchase

                Originally posted by NA9D View Post
                Hodgey, Hodgey, Hodgey,

                Vudu is simply matching the terminology in the movie industry. Full Screen is intended to mean a 4:3 sized screen. You see, traditionally, a widescreen movie wouldn't not fill up the TV sets we all had. So the term letterbox and full screen were adopted. Now, the full screen moniker has stuck but letterbox has become "widescreen."

                Also, SD Widescreen movies are not necessarily in Surround sound. Additionally, you can't say that SD Widescreen = DVD quality while Full Screen does not. There are a lot of DVDs made in 'full screen."

                I agree HD w/o DD5.1 = ripped off. But that's a provider issue!
                Fulll screen only references the video. I have some Hd DVDs that are in HD Full screen and the audio ranges anywhere from 1.0 to 5.1.

                I also used to have some widescreen DVD titles in 1.0 as well. The video content has nothing to do with the audio content. Although ideally I would personally like 7.1 audio.

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                  #23
                  Re: Question about Rent vs Purchase

                  Originally posted by NA9D View Post
                  I agree HD w/o DD5.1 = ripped off. But that's a provider issue!
                  Well, that's one down and two to go!!

                  My main point is that is that Enahanced Widescreen SD with Surround Sound, is not a common term. I didn't even know what it meant until I bought the box and rented a few (with my free credits).

                  If someone went to the VUDU website and saw the term "DVD Quality Movies Available", that would make more sense to a lot of people. SD just has a 4:3 conotation (fuzzy with or without my contacts).

                  I recognize that "technically" not all content distributed on DVD is "DVD Quality" the way I describe it (there is some real crap out there), but I'm just suggesting that until VUDU goes back to being a Tech Lab, it could do a better job of selling itself and it's product.

                  Don't make me drive over to Santa Clara and confront the "Slice and Dice" marketing director!! I could turn into the Incredible Bulk when I get angry!!!

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                    #24
                    Re: Question about Rent vs Purchase

                    Originally posted by HeadHodge View Post
                    Don't make me drive over to Santa Clara and confront the "Slice and Dice" marketing director!! I could turn into the Incredible Bulk when I get angry!!!
                    I am sure Patrick would love to meet you.

                    But personally, i'm happy with the descriptions as they are.

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                      #25
                      Re: Question about Rent vs Purchase

                      Originally posted by NA9D View Post
                      I am sure Patrick would love to meet you.

                      But personally, i'm happy with the descriptions as they are.
                      Oh well... There's only so much I can do to save mankind in one day.

                      All I really have at the end of the day is my gun and religion to cling to.

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                        #26
                        Re: Question about Rent vs Purchase

                        Originally posted by HeadHodge View Post
                        Oh well... There's only so much I can do to save mankind in one day.

                        All I really have at the end of the day is my gun and religion to cling to.
                        Amen brother. They can have my guns when they pry them out of my cold dead fingers..

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                          #27
                          Re: Question about Rent vs Purchase

                          Can I ask why instead of debating whether SD on VUDU is as good as HD VUDU just doesn't add more HD.

                          Out of the 40 most watched movies, 6 are HD 15%

                          Out of the 40 new to Rent 3 are HD 8%.

                          I could understand if the HD was not available for these titles but that's not the case. I'd like to watch a movie in the best possible format I can. And for a buck more and sometimes same price I can watch HD at other providers.

                          I understand VUDU SD is great, I even said so myself in a thread. But the fact that 3 of their new releases are available in HD is a deal breaker for me.

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                            #28
                            Re: Question about Rent vs Purchase

                            Originally posted by bkushner View Post
                            I understand VUDU SD is great, I even said so myself in a thread. But the fact that 3% of their new releases are available in HD is a deal breaker for me.
                            Quality Content is King!!

                            I feel your pain.

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                              #29
                              Re: Question about Rent vs Purchase

                              Originally posted by bkushner View Post
                              Can I ask why instead of debating whether SD on VUDU is as good as HD VUDU just doesn't add more HD.
                              I have asked Vudu. The response was that they add HD titles as they get them from the studios. So it's not that Vudu is holding back HD titles and not wanting to release them. Why ATV, XBox, DirecTV, etc. gets HD titles and Vudu doesn't is something they have no control over.

                              As stated before, if you are unhappy because you don't get enough HD titles on your Vudu right now, return it. It's going to change a lot in the next 6 months. If you were here six months ago, you'd see people complaining that the latest new releases weren't available. Well, that's no longer the issue. I would bet that in six months there's going to be a lot more HD content available.

                              So - do you keep the box and enjoy it or return it and come back in 6 to 12 months and buy it again?

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                                #30
                                Re: Question about Rent vs Purchase

                                Return is already in progress, as far as coming back not sure if it's something I need to do since I have Xbox, Dish and Direct and all show the new releases in HD and older movies are all over the premium channels.

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