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    #16
    Re: Have I lost my mind?

    Originally posted by NA9D View Post
    Yay! We want a full accounting of your out of box experience!
    Will do. Ill set it up tomorrow on the net and get the movie downloading. Want to see how long it takes.

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      #17
      Re: Have I lost my mind?

      Originally posted by mebby View Post
      But for ME... I just have to laugh b/c the difference in quality that we're talking about here and the relative benefit of those differences is marginal at best.
      Just as a reality check, could you do me a favor an turn your stereo on Mono and let me know if you hear any difference???

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        #18
        Re: Have I lost my mind?

        The difference in PQ between 1080p VOD and BR is not very evident(Maybe on a huge projector). The audio difference between the HDX audio (same as used on some BR's) and the HD audios on BR is nowhere near mono vs stereo.

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          #19
          Re: Have I lost my mind?

          Originally posted by elwaylite View Post
          The difference in PQ between 1080p VOD and BR is not very evident(Maybe on a huge projector). The audio difference between the HDX audio (same as used on some BR's) and the HD audios on BR is nowhere near mono vs stereo.
          I can easily see the difference on my 40" set and on my 67" set. But that also might come from watching HD for over seven years so I've seen excellent HD, bad HD and everything in between. And the audio difference when compared to the Lossless is big as well. Assuming a system is used that is capable of reproducing the higher fidelity. TV speakers or a lower end surround system will not show much of a difference in audio since they are incapable of producing high fidelity.
          The HD sets have improved alot since I got my first one in 2001. The current ones can show so much more detail than the older sets.
          But to each their own. I use the VUDU more for convenience. It is a good compliment to BD/ HD DVD for me.

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            #20
            Re: Have I lost my mind?

            Aaron, you are probably an exception to the average consumer!

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              #21
              Re: Have I lost my mind?

              Well, his comment seems a bit of an embellishment to me.

              While not having his HD experience (Ive only been watching it since 2004 and still watch as much OTA as I can) and not seeing the HDX quality, I find it hard to believe that one could see much, if any, difference on a 40" TV.

              I would have to ask, are these comments of BR vs Vudu in reference to HD or HDX? Whatever 1080/24p encodes Directv is testing (smaller in size than the HDX of Vudu) are VERY good and the difference is negligible on my TV. Now if you are saying that about Vudu HD movies, I can understand it because D*'s normal HD PPV doesn't look near as good as BR.

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                #22
                Re: Have I lost my mind?

                Originally posted by HeadHodge View Post
                Just as a reality check, could you do me a favor an turn your stereo on Mono and let me know if you hear any difference???
                Well of course I do dingleberry! My point is that the difference in quality that we're talking about the levels that are often discussed in these forums is no where as dramatic as the difference between mono and stereo. I'd say the average Joe could discern that difference.

                Did you ever read about that test that someone did where they got 10 or so self proclaimed audiophiles to do a "blind" test where they had them each listen to multiple formats (high bit rate MP3, uncompressed format, etc) through "audiophile" level headphones and asked them to rate which one sounded better? What they concluded from this test is that 9 out of 10 people had no clue which track was which.

                I tend to agree with that - I think that most of the time we perceive differences that aren't readily discernible simply due to the pyschology of the matter. If ones tends to naturally seek out the best of the best just b/c that's what is important to them then they are going to THINK that they can tell a difference. And up to a certain level I think you can. But after a while the real difference between the best of the best can't always be so noticeable. Or maybe it can and I'm just an idiot.

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                  #23
                  Re: Have I lost my mind?

                  True.

                  A few knowledgable guys on AVS (one an HDDVD supporter/employee from M$) stated that quality 1080p downloads would be the future and that MOST wont even notice vs blu-ray.

                  Just recently an insider on blu-ray.com stated that BR will be the last optical format. We are already seeing it weekly as more studios reach new digital agreements. I have no issue with this move as long as the quality is there. As I stated before, I held off on Vudu, but once the HDX annoucement was made, Im here.

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                    #24
                    Re: Have I lost my mind?

                    Originally posted by elwaylite View Post
                    Well, his comment seems a bit of an embellishment to me.

                    While not having his HD experience (Ive only been watching it since 2004 and still watch as much OTA as I can) and not seeing the HDX quality, I find it hard to believe that one could see much, if any, difference on a 40" TV.

                    I would have to ask, are these comments of BR vs Vudu in reference to HD or HDX? Whatever 1080/24p encodes Directv is testing (smaller in size than the HDX of Vudu) are VERY good and the difference is negligible on my TV. Now if you are saying that about Vudu HD movies, I can understand it because D*'s normal HD PPV doesn't look near as good as BR.
                    Aaronwt has pretty high end equipment and I'd consider him one of the bigger videophiles on this board. He has a device called an "HDMI Flea" which takes and smoothes the rough edges on digital video. He's pretty hard core.

                    I think BR has fantastic picture quality and from the little I have seen versus HDX I think it is probably incrementally better. But, I have seem color banding and marco blocking on BR content so it's not a perfect format either. The average person though has not the discerning eye and so won't really be able to tell a difference. A lot of us like myself have never invested in BR since Vudu came out and don't see much need to do it. The quality of Vudu's normal "HD" is quite good for me for most movies and HDX is just an added visual treat.

                    Now to Hodge's question:

                    The difference in going from mono to stereo is like going from 480i to 480p. The difference in going from stereo to DD5.1 is like going form 480i to 720p.
                    The difference in going from DD5.1 to the HD audio formats is like going from 720p to 1080p - You really don't notice that much. I'd even argue that DD5.1 to DD7.1 is like 720p to 1080p/60 and 1080p/60 to 1080p/24 is like DD7.1 to the HD audio formats. It reaches a point of diminishing returns.

                    The facts are that most people have a TV that cost them somewhere between $500 and $1500. Their AV system probably cost them about $500. For the price of a $300 Vudu, they get all the beautiful HDX they want and they will never be able to tell the difference between it and a BR player.

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                      #25
                      Re: Have I lost my mind?

                      Aaron is obviosely a video/audiophile then, but thats not what most will see.

                      I have very good vision, an ISF calibrated tv, and the difference I see (video) between the BR bucket list vs the 1080p/24 Directv VOD Bucket List is marginal at best. Most will never notice the difference.

                      Im looking forward to tonight/tomorrow. Gonna download an HD and HDX version and compare to my BR experience.

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                        #26
                        Re: Have I lost my mind?

                        Originally posted by elwaylite View Post
                        Aaron is obviosely a video/audiophile then, but thats not what most will see.

                        I have very good vision, an ISF calibrated tv, and the difference I see (video) between the BR bucket list vs the 1080p/24 Directv VOD Bucket List is marginal at best. Most will never notice the difference.

                        Im looking forward to tonight/tomorrow. Gonna download an HD and HDX version and compare to my BR experience.
                        I agree, most people won't notice the difference.

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                          #27
                          Re: Have I lost my mind?

                          Originally posted by aaronwt View Post
                          I agree, most people won't notice the difference.

                          Def with your equipment though, it makes no sense to not have a BR player

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                            #28
                            Re: Have I lost my mind?

                            HDX sounds better than HD, true, but I like it more because it's "louder" i.e. don't have to turn the level up. Overall, even audio quality advantage of BR could be debatable. This is a very interesting article -- http://www.hemagazine.com/node/Dolby...PCM?page=0%2C0

                            Even people who know their stuff and are listening in ideal conditions can hardly tell the difference between DD @ 640 kbps and uncompressed soundtrack. Although, I presume differences could be more pronounced in real life when more attention is given to uncompressed/lossless mix than compressed one.

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                              #29
                              Re: Have I lost my mind?

                              Originally posted by Rusdude View Post
                              HDX sounds better than HD, true, but I like it more because it's "louder" i.e. don't have to turn the level up. Overall, even audio quality advantage of BR could be debatable. This is a very interesting article -- http://www.hemagazine.com/node/Dolby...PCM?page=0%2C0

                              Even people who know their stuff and are listening in ideal conditions can hardly tell the difference between DD @ 640 kbps and uncompressed soundtrack. Although, I presume differences could be more pronounced in real life when more attention is given to uncompressed/lossless mix than compressed one.
                              I havent really cared for the BR PCM stuff, but the MasterHD and TrueHD tracks can be pretty amazing. Transformers, and especially Cloverfield, will rattle everything in the damn house.

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                                #30
                                Re: Have I lost my mind?

                                You are right that most folks won't notice the difference. My mom picked up a new DVD player and was just fine with the picture. When I went to her house she was using composite vs. the component connection. She does have a 42" TV and once I made the change it was a major difference that she can see. But she didn't know any better. Now if I could just get her into a VUDU.

                                Most folks don't even know how to properly hook up their TV's for the best picture. And the documentation provided in the box for most consumer equipment leaves a lot to be desired. None of the big box guys can even explain how to hook up equipment properly.

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