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    #61
    Re: VUDU UHD - Compatible Devices List

    Originally posted by MaxH View Post
    From what I understand, the app has to be different for every brand, and Vudu needs the cooperation and participation of the manufacturer to put out a Vudu app for their models. I'm not privy to much, but I know just from trying to get web sites working and looking the way they should across different browsers and devices, it's a frustrating mess, and you can never satisfy everyone. The effort to make the app work on different devices seems somewhat similar in tenor.

    And I know that it would really help to know what brands and/or models and/or platforms their working on, but there are also a lot of pitfalls with that, such as whether a certain effort might be abandoned if the manufacturer pulls out, which I'm just making up, but is similar to issues I've had with developing and updating and improving web sites.
    My frustration is that they do not currently support UHD on the best sets, which are the higher end Sony, Samsung and LG OLED sets. This would be mitigated if they supported more streaming devices, but they don't. I am a long time Roku customer and I really like the platform, but the Roku 4 is a mess and it does not support HDR. Why not support devices with the hardware chops, like the Shield? Why not support UHD on the new Samsung UHD Blu-Ray player? For that matter, why no Vudu app on Amazon. It is clearly not that Amazon has a problem with UV, as Flixster is on there. It is maddening to not be able to get my hands on a single device that will allow me to watch content in UHD with HDR. It is also maddening that there is no incremental upgrade path for titles you already own, but that is not surprising this early in the game and also is not Vudu's fault.

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      #62
      Re: VUDU UHD - Compatible Devices List

      How or does VuDu UHD play in UHD on the Vizio M50-C1 model 4K TV?
      I believe this is a 2015 model.
      I know it has the VuDu app. But does this TV support VuDu's UHD?
      (If anyone knows?)

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        #63
        Re: VUDU UHD - Compatible Devices List

        Originally posted by Scott Curtis View Post
        Another question is whether Vudu's implementation of Dolby Vision is compatible with sets that support HDR 10 (the UHD Blu-Ray HDR standard). Dolby Vision itself is downward compatible, but I have no idea how Vudu implemented it. Given that neither Samsung nor Sony support Dolby Vision, I am hoping Vudu considered this.
        Jake from Vudu engineering posted about this a while back. In essence, because HDR10 was not well defined when Vudu started getting DV files from the studios (and one might argue that HDR10 is still not defined well enough, given the ugly state of the Samsung UHD BR players), the UHD files on Vudu do NOT use the "base layer = HDR10" approach that UHD BR uses.

        Rather, the VUDU file base later is 10bit rec 709 color at 2160p -- no HDR at all, no expanded color space. The file also contains all the DV meta data -- which if your TV can understand it will give you 12 bit, HDR, and rec 2020-ish container.

        Given how fubar the HDR10 experience has been for many users of the Samsung player -- where display devices have to "guess" about what mastering choices were made for the content (was peak which supposed to be 500nits or 1000 nits or 5000 nits? etc) and sometimes get it wrong -- I am not sure whether to commend Vudu or not, but in the spirit of not breaking things, one can argue Vudu made the wise conservative choice at the time.

        That said, I'd love to have the OPTION to access a HDR10 base layer in Vudu content on a device like the ROku4 (though of course the Roku 4 doesn't (yet?) support any form of HDR).

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          #64
          Re: VUDU UHD - Compatible Devices List

          Originally posted by nathan_h View Post
          Jake from Vudu engineering posted about this a while back. In essence, because HDR10 was not well defined when Vudu started getting DV files from the studios (and one might argue that HDR10 is still not defined well enough, given the ugly state of the Samsung UHD BR players), the UHD files on Vudu do NOT use the "base layer = HDR10" approach that UHD BR uses.

          Rather, the VUDU file base later is 10bit rec 709 color at 2160p -- no HDR at all, no expanded color space. The file also contains all the DV meta data -- which if your TV can understand it will give you 12 bit, HDR, and rec 2020-ish container.

          Given how fubar the HDR10 experience has been for many users of the Samsung player -- where display devices have to "guess" about what mastering choices were made for the content (was peak which supposed to be 500nits or 1000 nits or 5000 nits? etc) and sometimes get it wrong -- I am not sure whether to commend Vudu or not, but in the spirit of not breaking things, one can argue Vudu made the wise conservative choice at the time.

          That said, I'd love to have the OPTION to access a HDR10 base layer in Vudu content on a device like the ROku4 (though of course the Roku 4 doesn't (yet?) support any form of HDR).
          Very well put. I would like to see the UHD titles as well with the HDR10 base layer at least on any UHD device. I have the Roku 4 which doesn't support HDR and the LG TV and Sumsung UHD player devices which don't support Vudu UHD at all.

          20 UHD
          754 HDX
          2 SD

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            #65
            Re: VUDU UHD - Compatible Devices List

            Originally posted by lujan View Post
            Very well put. I would like to see the UHD titles as well with the HDR10 base layer at least on any UHD device. I have the Roku 4 which doesn't support HDR and the LG TV and Sumsung UHD player devices which don't support Vudu UHD at all.

            1 UHD
            719 HDX
            1 HD
            2 SD
            Maybe this is why we aren't seeing it on more devices? Currently it is only on 2 platforms who have no devices with HDR10. Almost any other 4K platform would at least have one device that would be HDR. Maybe they didn't want to waste the effort on developing a version without HDR when they knew they were going to be doing an HDR10 version soon after?

            It actually makes me wonder if they even had Roku agree to hold off on HDR deployment as a prerequisite to being the initial exclusive UHD external device (considering Roku apparently has HDMI 2.0a) - they don't want Amazon to look better than them until they're ready.

            I wonder if I could use this tinfoil hat to get better reception on my UHD streaming player...

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              #66
              Re: VUDU UHD - Compatible Devices List

              Originally posted by kildon View Post
              Maybe this is why we aren't seeing it on more devices? Currently it is only on 2 platforms who have no devices with HDR10. Almost any other 4K platform would at least have one device that would be HDR. Maybe they didn't want to waste the effort on developing a version without HDR when they knew they were going to be doing an HDR10 version soon after?

              It actually makes me wonder if they even had Roku agree to hold off on HDR deployment as a prerequisite to being the initial exclusive UHD external device (considering Roku apparently has HDMI 2.0a) - they don't want Amazon to look better than them until they're ready.

              I wonder if I could use this tinfoil hat to get better reception on my UHD streaming player...
              Actually I find that a colander does a better job than the tin foil, the 3 little legs on the colander manage to triangulate the signal more effectively, and.....the little holes in the colander allow for extremely effective heat dissipation.

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                #67
                Re: VUDU UHD - Compatible Devices List

                Originally posted by kildon View Post
                Maybe this is why we aren't seeing it on more devices?
                The biggest reason UHD support is still limited is that studios have very strict security requirements for their 4K content - the device hardware and firmware must meet these requirements to stream UHD.

                Sorry, we can't discuss unannounced devices in detail - but in general there will be a number of other TVs and STBs this year that support VUDU UHD, some with DolbyVision. It's also *possible* some 2015 TV models could get support, but this will depend on the device having adequate hardware security and manufacturer support in updating their firmware.

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                  #68
                  Re: VUDU UHD - Compatible Devices List

                  Originally posted by nathan_h View Post
                  Jake from Vudu engineering posted about this a while back. In essence, because HDR10 was not well defined when Vudu started getting DV files from the studios (and one might argue that HDR10 is still not defined well enough, given the ugly state of the Samsung UHD BR players), the UHD files on Vudu do NOT use the "base layer = HDR10" approach that UHD BR uses.

                  Rather, the VUDU file base later is 10bit rec 709 color at 2160p -- no HDR at all, no expanded color space. The file also contains all the DV meta data -- which if your TV can understand it will give you 12 bit, HDR, and rec 2020-ish container.

                  Given how fubar the HDR10 experience has been for many users of the Samsung player -- where display devices have to "guess" about what mastering choices were made for the content (was peak which supposed to be 500nits or 1000 nits or 5000 nits? etc) and sometimes get it wrong -- I am not sure whether to commend Vudu or not, but in the spirit of not breaking things, one can argue Vudu made the wise conservative choice at the time.

                  That said, I'd love to have the OPTION to access a HDR10 base layer in Vudu content on a device like the ROku4 (though of course the Roku 4 doesn't (yet?) support any form of HDR).
                  The problem with that approach is that it completely screws the majority of the people who shelled out huge money for HDR 10 sets. One of the main reasons I dropped $6k on a Sony XBR75X940C was HDR. Dolby Vision is not that widely adopted at this point. The vast majority of HDR sets are HDR 10, not DV.

                  I'm also really ticked that they are not rolling UHD out to Android TV or at least to specific vendors. Why are they so willing to simply ignore the customers who spent the most to get the best Sony and Samsung sets? It makes no sense to me. Why is the only STB they support the deeply flawed Roku 4 with its lip sync problems, red push issues and lack of HDR support?

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                    #69
                    Re: VUDU UHD - Compatible Devices List

                    Originally posted by Jake View Post
                    The biggest reason UHD support is still limited is that studios have very strict security requirements for their 4K content - the device hardware and firmware must meet these requirements to stream UHD.

                    Sorry, we can't discuss unannounced devices in detail - but in general there will be a number of other TVs and STBs this year that support VUDU UHD, some with DolbyVision. It's also *possible* some 2015 TV models could get support, but this will depend on the device having adequate hardware security and manufacturer support in updating their firmware.
                    Lack of HDR 10 support will likely cost you customers if you do not fix it, since the majority of past and current UHD sets do not support it. You are alienating the very people who spend the most money.

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                      #70
                      Re: VUDU UHD - Compatible Devices List

                      Originally posted by randym431 View Post
                      How or does VuDu UHD play in UHD on the Vizio M50-C1 model 4K TV?
                      I believe this is a 2015 model.
                      I know it has the VuDu app. But does this TV support VuDu's UHD?
                      (If anyone knows?)
                      I actually used to own a Vizio M50-C1 model UHD TV before I decided to go bigger and get a different model that was on sale. To watch VUDU in UHD on the M50-C1, you use the built-in VUDU app from Vizio's smart-TV platform. The native app has UHD support. In fact, it's one of the very few series that supports VUDU UHD right out of the box. It looks fantastic, you just have to ensure you have a fast enough internet connection...

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                        #71
                        Re: VUDU UHD - Compatible Devices List

                        It is nice to see that the list got updated. Not nice to see that the list got updated to support ROKU TV. Most of the people I know that are shelling money out for 4k are not buying entry level TVs like the ones that offer ROKU TV. I am patiently holding on to that glimmer of hope that I will get TV support, but I am starting to think that I won't be getting it in the near future. It is sad that I don't own a single part of 4k media because my service of choice isn't offering it.

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                          #72
                          Re: VUDU UHD ? Compatible Devices List

                          Originally posted by jediwizard79 View Post
                          I hope that LG goes on this list as well. I have their UHD TV and love it, but don't want to buy a Roku 4 just to view Vudu in UHD when I use other services built into my TV.
                          Amen! I bought 3 of VUDU's movies not realizing that I can't watch them in UHD because my LG is not supported.

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                            #73
                            Re: VUDU UHD - Compatible Devices List

                            Has there been any discussion or decision to support the TiVo Bolt with UHD?

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                              #74
                              Re: VUDU UHD - Compatible Devices List

                              2016 vizio P series now has access to the dolby vision titles.

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                                #75
                                Re: VUDU UHD - Compatible Devices List

                                Found this thread in a google search trying to figure out why UHD wasn't an option on my JS8500 Vudu app

                                Hope I have better luck with the 3D? this is why I bought this set....Roku doesn't support 3D.

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